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Re: The lost joy of music piracy

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Post by pbasista »

caporaltito wrote: post #141
pbasista wrote: post #131

If I was a musician and produced music nowadays, I would not induce regular copyright rights on it. Because, in my opinion, it makes no practical sense. It mostly alienates the users. I would put the uncompressed flac files of my music directly on my website for everyone to download. That does not mean that I would not be interested in getting paid. But I would approach it differently. I would charge for broadcasting…

Well. This is what Soundcloud or Bandcamp do. The problem is that: if it's for free, 99% of people won't pay.

The users usually not paying is a problem introduced by those platforms, in my opinion. They make the entire experience too generic for the regular users to care.

It seems to me that the bands or musicians should distribute their music via their own websites. I think that then the users would care much more.

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Post by a-french-anon »

bugufu8f83 wrote: post #213
a-french-anon wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd wager that pretty much anything that most people want to listen to is on music streaming sites If you have simple tastes, easily accept holes in their catalog and don't care about being served butchered "remasters". People who actually care don't use Netflix/Spotify. Some examples: Melvins' Lysol is (famously) only available on Apple Music and for good measure I just looked right now at Spotify's page for Midor…

>If you have simple tastes, easily accept holes in their catalog and don't care about being served butchered "remasters". People who actually care don't use Netflix/Spotify. Oh please, spare me the condescending bullshit. Sure, there exists music that is on RED that is not on Spotify. There also exists music that is on Spotify that is not on RED (some of which I even listen to!). I said "pretty much anything" and "mo…

While I must sadly agree with your usage of "most people", I still don't understand why you thought it changed anything to the original claim that there is still a need for music piracy (for the aforementioned people who care). And note that I didn't pick particularly obscure artists, we're talking 10~100k ratings/followers on RYM.

> Oh please, spare me the condescending bullshit.

Why would I?

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Post by pbasista »

everyday7732 wrote: post #238
pbasista wrote: post #131

If I was a musician and produced music nowadays, I would not induce regular copyright rights on it. Because, in my opinion, it makes no practical sense. It mostly alienates the users. I would put the uncompressed flac files of my music directly on my website for everyone to download. That does not mean that I would not be interested in getting paid. But I would approach it differently. I would charge for broadcasting…

So long as you don't try to go without any kind of copyright. I've heard stories of people releasing their music for free with no copyright only for somebody to download it, register it as THEIR copyright, and then sell it on all the platforms and even send a copyright takedown notice to the original creator. Better to protect yourself by registering it under creative commons or a similar licence.

Of course, the music should still be protected against the commercial use or reselling.

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Post by pbasista »

input_sh wrote: post #151
pbasista wrote: post #131

If I was a musician and produced music nowadays, I would not induce regular copyright rights on it. Because, in my opinion, it makes no practical sense. It mostly alienates the users. I would put the uncompressed flac files of my music directly on my website for everyone to download. That does not mean that I would not be interested in getting paid. But I would approach it differently. I would charge for broadcasting…

Add a download gate to the mix, remove the optional payment (I promise you nobody's gonna do that) and you're basically describing https://hypeddit.com/ . Instead of paying to download music, the users "pays" by following you across social media / streaming services. Granted it's mostly used for copyright-violating edits, but some musicians use it for original tracks too. It's how basically any electronic music produ…

No. No restrictions should be put on downloads. The main point is that the distribution channels should always be free.

What should be gated and limited is the commercial use: reselling, relicensing, using for business, etc.

> the optional payment (I promise you nobody's gonna do that)

Such "promises" seem to be based on no facts. Moreover, they contradict my personal experience.

I would be very interested in using that business model. In fact, I have already used it with other types of services. I have paid for software that is open source, free to download and free to use. Multiple times. Simply because I like the software and I wanted to thank the authors for it in some tangible way.

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Post by dkga »

devonsolomon wrote: post #112

The thing I miss most, and the thing we’ll never get back was the cultural buy-in and network effects. My music discovery then was different friend groups incrementally amassing large collections of albums in whatever sub-culture that friend groups had doubled down on. My iPod would be the culmination of my friendships. I would then fall in love with bands and albums and tracks on these albums without any influence b…

I miss that network discovery as well, as well as the quasi-random element to it. Nowadays I get my kicks by searching for, say, Albanian rock (I don‘t speak Albanian), whatever was trending in Indonesia (I am not from there), who is the national poet/singer of France (I am not French), what was playing on Peruvian radios in 1985 when I born, etc.

Edit: it‘s also a great way to meet other countries/cultures, not only other great music. For example, this is how I got acquainted with the beautiful Wolof language from Senegal and even with traditional regional music in Brazil (where I am actually from) I would have never been exposed to otherwise.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

eltercero wrote: post #142
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #15

Edited to add first: nice article covering an important couple of critical pieces of the Internet's history. Concerning the "Joy" element: Someone at my workplace started a Music League, with a select few music aficionados and hangers on joining, and it has been _the best_ team bonding exercise I've ever been involved with. We have covered a broad spectrum of topics that have challenged pretty much everyone at some p…

> King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard took their discography off Spotify for ideological reasons, and I support their decision to follow their morality in doing so, but it does put me in a conundrum due to the phenomenal size of their catalogue. I've bought some, but definitely not all. Just gonna have to grind through it, although they seem to put new music out faster than my monthly purchase quota. FYI, they have th…

Legend, 10x upvotes!

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Post by carlosjobim »

pjc50 wrote: post #177
erikschoster wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was also common to have a collection of CDs you owned and wanted to put on a device like this.

We forget that the labels also consider that piracy. For a while there were attempts to make CDs un-rippable. Streaming (which pays labels and artists much less) only exists because it's the compromise that solves the "service problem" side of piracy.

Apple and Steve Jobs were always taking about ripping your CDs to have your music on the iPod in their presentations to the public.

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Post by flir »

cobbzilla wrote: post #242
flir wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

radio.garden (and many others) got neutered in the UK courts by Sony. Offensive, short-sighted, Balkanizing decision. I haven't bought a Sony product since the rootkit debacle. My only regret is that there's not a "boycott++" mode for the damage they did with that decision.

> radio.garden (and many others) got neutered in the UK courts by Sony Do tell more, I’m very curious— am I unaffected in the US? I haven’t noticed a big change in the past several years. What happened?

Can't find a good summary link. Maybe this one https://www.rpclegal.com/thinking/entertainment/court-of-app... is a good starting point.

radio.garden feels like spinning an AM radio dial late at night (which is how I discovered John Peel as a youngling). It's a lovely thing, verging on art, and should be treasured.

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