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Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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> It doesn't need to be thousands for it to be worrying. I very much agree, which is another reason I think facts are important. There are real issues and discussing them using real data is great, productive etc. But instead of rational debate what I see time and again is spurious figures like these thrown around by talking heads, repeated by posters like those above, trying to ... well I don't know, I don't fully un…

The facts are: - people are being arrested, charged, and prosecuted, for opinions - that number is greater than 1 - the number of people being arrested under speech laws, per year, is reportedly[0] over 12,000 - some substantial number of those are for opinions, some are not but we don't know how many either way [0] (and considering the government were attempting to delete the Courtdesk archive[1], I'd say that's by…

I agree there is a problem if even 1 person is treated like this.

I disagree that the American commentary on it is well informed, motivated by anything approaching principle, or really anything other than a desire to paint the UK in the worst possible light. Such figures being bandied around form part of a larger narrative along with false claims about "no-go" areas and hysteria about London having a Muslim mayor.

It's effectively rage-porn for the US right wing. We can see this in the continued framing as "12000 people arrested for inappropriate speech", when that number includes death threats as part of (for example) domestic violence cases.

Meanwhile, of course, let's ignore that the US President is weaponising the civil justice system in the US to silence critics and journalism he finds unfavourable.

> (but may be entirely sound)

We know they're not entirely sound, because the category of offences is wide enough that the number of these offences which are not, in fact, related to expressing one's opinion on social media is substantial. The arrests cover stalking and harassment, making death threats and threats of violence, racial abuse, intimidation, and inciting hatred via any form of communication down to and including snail mail.

So if there's one thing we do know, it's that the actual number arrested for "posts they make online" that should really be considered free speech is unlikely to be anywhere near that, and as such the statistic itself is useless. It's like looking at the overall death rate for the US (approximately 3 million) and proclaiming to be shocked at the results of gun ownership. But it will continue to be thrown around because it fits a specific narrative.

Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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I think it can be a general rule without being a concrete one, and is heavily context dependent. I agree that dash cams are for the most part OK, because for the most part they're recording for safety reasons and evidence in case of accidents. But sitting in a coffee shop as a private citizen, recording everyone that comes in without any particular justification would not really be OK, covertly or overtly. Even thoug…

I'm not a fan of rules that aren't concrete, especially when the opposition tends to muddy the water and use ad hominems to justify their opinions. Lacking a clear set of rules has never led us to a safer community.

> I'm not a fan of rules that aren't concrete

Then you are going to have a hard time in a society filled with other humans, or living with a legal system that takes human complexity and grey areas into account in so many different ways.

Outside of a parser or a maths class, rules are rarely that concrete.

(Reading your other comments, I am sorry that your experiences have lead you to be so scared going about your day to day life that you think recording every interaction is a necessary thing to do. I'm afraid you're not going to find a lot of people who agree with that, and many who will find the idea very intrusive, though I suspect you're far from the only one in your position.

FYI if you go down this route, in some countries it is a legal, not just social, requirement that people be notified that you're recording them, particularly when it comes to audio, see one-party or two-party consent jurisdictions etc, while recording of direct threats may be legit, blanket recording of all interactions or of other people's conversations, as a precautionary measure, may not be)

Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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I don't understand why Meta is so insistent on making the camera and creepy video recording the primary feature of these glasses. They do have a ton of other uses. The speakers are genuinely great. It's useful to be able to hear notifications while walking. Having a decent AI for asking random questions is nice as well. It supports live translation. And unlike Airpods it doesn't tune out the rest of the world, which…

My father uses them to record and share videos of some of his craft work, and they're actually pretty good for that.

But that can only be a niche use-case - the sort of thing you'd expect to work better as a minor product from Logitech or GoPro, rather than as a celebrity-endorsed consumer flagship from a tech behemoth.

Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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Eh, realistically speaking the camera is it's main selling point. If you want just audio, why not get eg an aftershockz headset. They've been around for over 10 yrs and work very well for that exact usecase (speaker that doesn't block your ears whatsoever) The translation feature is also available on your phone which you'll need to pull out when using it anyway, because otherwise the other party won't understand what…

> The translation feature is also available on your phone which you'll need to pull out when using it anyway, because otherwise the other party won't understand what you're saying either... I think a major use case for live translation is one where the other party is standing opposite to you.

There’s no way this would work, or work more reliably, than the translator apps we have on phones. In order for this Babelfish sci-fi interface to work, the other party has to be aware and pause their speech for the translation. If they can’t hear their translated message they’ll speak over it. Either that or you have some kind of deafening that passes-thru the translated voice in realtime, and then you lose their emotion, emphasis, and tons of other information that doesn’t fit neatly into the standard monolingual worldview of tech.

Even the “conversation mode” built into Google translate or the iPhone app is useless. I can only imagine it working in the sterile environment it was probably designed in: a conference room with two people trying there hardest to make it work.

I live abroad and travel a lot for photography. Whenever I’m using a translator app, it’s typically a chaotic situation like haggling with a taxi driver, a meal with a group of strangers who invited me to eat with them, lots of background noise. The mode that everyone defaults to, without fail, is to use their own phone to speak or type a message and then hold it up in front of their interlocutor’s face. Sometimes they mix in some fragments of English or I know some fragments of their language. It’s lossy but it works.

I can’t imagine a wearable that would perform better. A notepad that can magically translate little messages is about as far as I would want it to go. Tech is pretty awful at intermediating human relations.

Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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> You only have to remind yourself of what catcalling is. What do you think all these glasshole-women are going to do with bunch of (poor quality, grainy night) videos of some drunk bro on the street telling them "nice rack you have there, sweetheart"? Call FBI so they would give chase on a helicopter immediately?

> glasshole-women Please stop using ad hominem attacks, this is not the appropriate forum for such remarks. > "nice rack you have there, sweetheart" I assume that would be considered sexual harassment in most jurisdictions, which local police should concern themselves with, especially if it's happening to minors. I'm at a loss for why you brought up the FBI.

I suspect the OP is being somewhat sarcastic because it is widely known that the police will do absolutely nothing about a report of catcalling, video or not.

Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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> You only have to remind yourself of what catcalling is. What do you think all these glasshole-women are going to do with bunch of (poor quality, grainy night) videos of some drunk bro on the street telling them "nice rack you have there, sweetheart"? Call FBI so they would give chase on a helicopter immediately?

> glasshole-women Please stop using ad hominem attacks, this is not the appropriate forum for such remarks. > "nice rack you have there, sweetheart" I assume that would be considered sexual harassment in most jurisdictions, which local police should concern themselves with, especially if it's happening to minors. I'm at a loss for why you brought up the FBI.

> Please stop using ad hominem attacks, this is not the appropriate forum for such remarks.

I feel quite strongly about people nonconsensually filming other people in public spaces. The proliferation of guides about disabling the indicators of active camera on smart glasses make me even more hesitant to normalize or condone such behavior.

> I assume that would be considered sexual harassment in most jurisdictions, which local police should concern themselves with, especially if it's happening to minors.

Stealing an Amazon package from your porch is also illegal in most jurisdictions yet police won't do anything with a video from your Ring doorbell showing some generic young-dude-in-a-baseball-cap-and-a-hoodie taking it away. They are only interested in such videos when investigating (what they consider) serious crimes.

> especially if it's happening to minors

You want minors to wear Meta glasses and film all the time? I shudder imagining growing up in such dystopia.

> I'm at a loss for why you brought up the FBI.

Sorry, that was a snark about how people who support installing smart doorbells and Flock cameras everywhere imagine police would react to a video showing someone stealing a bag from their car or a package from their porch.

Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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> ...but because the implementation is as obviously corrupt as the business owners pushing it. Because the business owners figured out that they could get you to pay for things that turn you into an even more valuable product. The cat is out of the bag and there is no reason to believe there will ever be a reversal of this. Not enough people care, and there isn't enough demand for "clean" products to displace the big…

Well my family doesn't live in the same country and most of my friends I don't see every day yet I communicate with them daily. Same with the communities I'm in, they're really active online. And all my stuff is connected yes but not through big tech cloud. It is pretty easy to avoid all that. I use home assistant and I buy stuff specifically because it supports local connectivity. The biggest issue is whatsapp for n…

I won't dismiss that technology can be great for keeping in touch with people (especially family) who are not physically close to you but we should also acknowledge that there's a huge difference between digital interactions and face-to-face connection. There is a compelling body of evidence that the latter provides far more emotional and mental health benefits than the former.

Anyone truly interested in their well-being should make sure they're not treating digital interactions as a 1:1 substitute for real-life connection.

Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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Unfortunately, educating people against some technology is not going to help. It should be a state-level mandate to have any effect. Most people are discretion-less, sheep-minded money pockets. Meta and other businesses discovered this fact long ago and exploit it to maximum extent. Their products always target the "sheep-following" aspects, instead of individual usefulness.

How charming. A young, authoritarian-minded elitist aiming to force their views onto the rest of us 'stupid sheep'...with the implicit threat of a gun to the head via the state's monopoly on violence. Have you ever examined the idea that, people doing things you don't agree with may not all be less enlightened than you? And that, in fact, it could be you who is a sheep, angrily shouting in unison with the mob in the…

What a balanced viewpoint!

On one end, we have a megacorporation that has been proven to engage in: willingly sharing private user data with random third parties; accepting and running ads for foreign state actors targeting another country; creating one of the most sophisticated tracking regimes in the world; collecting oceans of data to build profiles on everyone, user and not; enabling a genocide to be coordinated on their platform; using their money and power to influence legislation in their favor; knowingly designing their platforms to be incredibly addictive, including deliberately discussing how to get children hooked; and a practically endless list of other things.

On the other end, we have HN commenters. They are really angry and that they want to undo some of the damage described above. They are pretty jaded about how elegantly Meta has been able to exploit addiction, network effects and the human mind to keep people complicit.

To me it's obvious that #2 is the true evil. They obviously won't succeed because wealth controls our reality, but just for daring to question the status quo, they are authoritatian elitist sheep with superiority complexes. True freedom is when the world's biggest companies get to do whatever they want, slavery is when people to use their democratically elected governments to oppose that. Can you smell all that freedom in the air?

Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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What if I could watch Instagram reels at all moments all day. Streamed right in to my eyeballs.

> What if I could watch Instagram reels at all moments all day. Streamed right in to my eyeballs. You'd be Mark Zuckerberg's idea of an ideal person.

Only if you consume the ads too

Re: Guerrilla London bus ads mock Kylie Jenner’s Meta glasses campaign

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Basically, "small cameras/microphones, cheap enough to be everywhere" completely changes the "free to take photos/video in public" equation - so that's probably worth revisiting legally. Clearly there is a difference between someone waving a SLR camera around (digital or film) and the possibilities of today and where the content ends up. However... the pub/bar/nightclub, gym, pool, etc etc etc isn't public. It is the…

It'd be fun to adapt copyright law to cover people's physical form. Imagine a huge class action suit against Meta for enabling such copyright infingement.
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