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Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by anon7000 »

redanddead wrote: post #289
deinonychus wrote: post #288

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>… but he won’t get young men to sleep in at 8pm i've never had a problem with staying or even falling asleep, instead my issue is *wanting* to go to bed and getting myself there. adhd, executive dysfunctoning/akrasia, screens, chores i procrastinated all evening, etc, all give me too many things to do at night instead of tucking myself into bed. i basically don't feel tired at all until i lay down. i don't notice i'…

I totally agree Melatonin gummies help for sure, I have zero complaints. I embed the lex into the gummy Same with adhd btw You should def try this. My prescriber just somehow knew, likely bc of vyvanse. I spoke to him again the following day, and I was telling him dude this is great, I want a permanent supply of this lol. Maybe it’s a common issue amongst us ADHD people I’m really looking forward to Centanafadine, lo…

Sleep disorders are 100% a common issue with ADHD (as my psychiatrist explained)! I’ve been on guanfacine (1mg) but it doesn’t really help with sleep. It’s only the first couple weeks that you feel drowsy from it, after that it doesn’t help. But it does help me want to get out of bed in the morning which is pretty nice.

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Post by iamthejuan »

I solved my sleeping patterns by sleeping very early at around 7 p.m. or 8 p.m., also it feels like sleep and hunger have something in common like if you skip the hunger for a while, you won't feel hunger for a while same goes with sleeping. At least it is my own experience.

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Post by quietbritishjim »

thesuitonym wrote: post #189
quietbritishjim wrote: post #171

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> Do you think our ancestors slept exactly 8 hours a night from 10pm to 6am? Yeah I pretty much do expect that (but more like 6 or 7). They were awake a few hours after sunset by fire light, then get up fairly early. I certainly don't imagine them napping during the day, when they could be working together to get food, unless it's a climate where it's too hot to do anything in the middle of the day. Studies of modern…

Nearly all predators spend large portions of their day sleeping, why would humans have been different?

Well that's a purely intellectual question, given that empirical data on human hunter gatherers.

But I'd guess it's because (1) humans aren't purely predators, we're have a mixed diet with plants too, and (2) humans hint in a fundamentally different way to most predators, by chasing their prey to exhaustion over several hours rather than outrunning them over a few minutes.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by quietbritishjim »

small_model wrote: post #225
quietbritishjim wrote: post #171

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> Do you think our ancestors slept exactly 8 hours a night from 10pm to 6am? Yeah I pretty much do expect that (but more like 6 or 7). They were awake a few hours after sunset by fire light, then get up fairly early. I certainly don't imagine them napping during the day, when they could be working together to get food, unless it's a climate where it's too hot to do anything in the middle of the day. Studies of modern…

Watch male lions they sleep when they want, laze about all day until they need to eat. Or you can be a deer caught in the corporate wage slave, alarm clock prisoner headlights.

Male lions don't hunt, females do. In human hunter gatherer society, it's the males that hunt while females gather plants.

Also, as I mentioned in a sibling comment, humans hunt in a fundamentally different way to most predators, including lions: humans chase to exhaustion over hours while lions try to outrun their prey over minutes or less. (That's why humans have three gaits: walking, jogging, running, while most animals only have walking and running.)

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Post by Valakas_ »

stouset wrote: post #170
petilon wrote: post #82

Magnesium supplementation solved my sleep issues. I have seen many doctors, including sleep specialists, regarding insomnia. They all pointed to one source as the reason for the sleep issues: stress. And they all wanted to put me on prescription sleeping pills. I said no to that. Sleeping pills can cause dependence, and they often treat the symptom rather than the underlying cause. As a software developer, I am used…

100 the same. I tried magnesium before but didn’t see any effects after a week so threw in the towel. Then I read a comment by someone here that had the exact same symptoms as me (brain wouldn’t turn off), explained the underlying cause, suggested L-threonate, and explained that it’s a long-term deficiency and might take some time to build up sufficient reserves. I have had insomnia my entire life, since I was a chil…

But how come you have magnesium deficiency in the first place, what are you not eating? People who need magnesium supplements still absorb magnesium, so the problem isn't absorption must be consumption.

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Post by Valakas_ »

petilon wrote: post #82

Magnesium supplementation solved my sleep issues. I have seen many doctors, including sleep specialists, regarding insomnia. They all pointed to one source as the reason for the sleep issues: stress. And they all wanted to put me on prescription sleeping pills. I said no to that. Sleeping pills can cause dependence, and they often treat the symptom rather than the underlying cause. As a software developer, I am used…

And what is the root cause of your magnesium deficiency? How come you're not getting enough of it from food?

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Post by quietbritishjim »

small_model wrote: post #290
trallnag wrote: post #246

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Watch birds they fly when they want. Or you can be a slave worm bound to the earth. The choice is yours

If you watch birds you will see they don't use alarm clocks nor go to work, but still find food each day.

Birds don't need to cooperate in groups to find food.

In animals that do, you can bet that they have a way to wake together. If you're camping in the same tent as other humans you'll soon find that out. Alarm clocks are a workaround for not living communally with the rest of your tribe.

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Post by nottorp »

Insanity wrote: post #324
nottorp wrote: post #237

I wonder how many of these "surprising" results are markers of other life style decisions. Regular sleeping hours as a marker for a less stressful life? Also ran across this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5105607/ I doubt it's the actual reading. Maybe having a calmer life where you take the time to relax with a book.

Also, reading lowers stress. Which in turn improves sleep an overall mental / physical health. I always read before going to bed for at least 30 minutes, and anecdotally I have a much easier time to fall asleep that way.

> I have a much easier time to fall asleep that way

Unless the book is really good :)

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Post by markus_zhang »

nickjj wrote: post #50
markus_zhang wrote: post #40

I kinda realize that the most important factor for personal success (whatever kind of success you want) is mental stability. Like, John Carmack said that he NEVER burned out, never went into a dark corner (verbatim from his interview), and everyone agrees that he works like a machine. And I don't think he actually spent a lot of mental training to achieve that stability, because, he has been like that from a young ag…

Carmack always seemed to have a really strong idea on what was important for him to work on. How much of that is mental toughness vs having a believable purpose? Believable is important because you have to internally 100% without a doubt believe that what you're doing is the right thing to be doing now. As soon as the "what ifs" starts to creep in for the big picture items or goals, that can destroy everything. I'm n…

I half-agree with you. I agree with you because I kinda had that experience from time to time. I'd focus on a certain learning project for about 4-6 months, usually without much break, all done after-work. I disagree because I usually burn out myself so much after that 4-6 month period, that I usually don't do anything related for another 4-6 months.

This shows up in my github repo contribution chart, but more importantly I retain very little whatever I learned -- concepts maybe, not nothing else. That's why I so admire Carmack's machine-like consistency.

Maybe I don't really believe in the course as strong as he did. Maybe I'm more tuned to burn out early. Whichever the reason it is, you could imagine that I'd very much love to improve.

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Post by markus_zhang »

annzabelle wrote: post #331
markus_zhang wrote: post #40

I kinda realize that the most important factor for personal success (whatever kind of success you want) is mental stability. Like, John Carmack said that he NEVER burned out, never went into a dark corner (verbatim from his interview), and everyone agrees that he works like a machine. And I don't think he actually spent a lot of mental training to achieve that stability, because, he has been like that from a young ag…

I would also argue for regular exercise as a fundamental of a stable mind. I've always been an anxious person, but since I started running 3-4 days a week consistently, my baseline neuroticism has significantly dropped. The deep post-exercise sleep doesn't hurt.

I think it helps a bit, but no longer makes a big difference. Guess that's because I'm "old" (40+).

But again, maybe it helps more than I thought, because I haven't done any A/B test on myself -- I'm kinda getting used to exercise now.

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