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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by alex1138 »

lovich wrote: post #351
alex1138 wrote: post #142

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I was just trying to say old Twitter had a serious problem but apparently that goes against the hivemind so I accrue mass downvotes despite posting my comment in good faith

No man, I’d you had just said > I was willing to give him a pass… That could be logically consistent given how he is more censorious than the previous management, but you said > I was willing to give him a pass (still am)… That means you are giving him a pass on having more censorious behavior than what the group you disliked did. That just comes off like you’re biased and trying to hide it. I don’t think you’re gett…

I don't think you're allowed to define what good faith is if you can't read my mind

And I don't even know what they censor now, it's just that the old system was more publically known

Please don't be intentionally irritating

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by calmworm »

behnamoh wrote: post #328
rddbs wrote: post #211

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Alright I’ll bite. Why do harnesses require so much code?

Because a harness doesn't just "drive" the LLM. e.g., there's code in claude code that detects if the user's prompt shows they're angry, and they react to those prompts differently. (they use regex on "wtf", etc.!)

Claude also now ends the session if you curse at it too much. Not sure how it’s helpful but they must think it is.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by ballon_monkey »

bakies wrote: post #140
kamikazechaser wrote: post #99

It's a shame that they exfiled private data. The model is actually good (better than opus 4.8 imo) and the harness itself is butter smooth with the potential of being the best out there.

It definitely doesn't feel like opus. I constantly switch to opus to fix up or finish what grok generates, it feels like sonnet 3!

It's definitely around Opus level. It's definitely a lot smarter when it comes to review or asking if there's gaps or things missing.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by skissane »

afavour wrote: post #375
skissane wrote: post #357

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> I didn’t say block all illegitimate uses, though. We’re talking very specifically about disabling the production of CSAM But what is “CSAM”? If by it you mean illegal material-different jurisdictions worldwide have different laws on that topic, so material which is illegal in one jurisdiction can be legal in another.

Ok, then let’s just say CSAM by definition of US law. Twice now you’ve tried to expand the parameters of this so that it becomes something impossible to tackle. But there’s no actual reason to do that. Grok is able to tackle CSAM, as demonstrated by the fact that they are currently doing it . The question is why they ignored the very public issue for as long as they did.

> Ok, then let’s just say CSAM by definition of US law.

“CSAM” isn’t a legal category under US law.

“Child pornography” is a legal category under US law. But, according to the 2002 US Supreme Court case Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (535 U.S. 234), so-called “virtual child pornography” (imagery produced by CGI or AI, not featuring the images of any identifiable real world minors), is (partially) protected [0] by the 1st Amendment, and excluded from the legal definition of “child pornography” in the US. So if “CSAM by definition of US law” you mean “child pornography”, then a lot of the material Grok was (reportedly) producing which people were labelling “CSAM” wasn’t actually CSAM by that definition.

[0] “partially” because it still might be unprotected due to the difficult-to-prosecute obscenity exception to the 1st Amendment, but it is excluded from the scope of the distinct and much easier-to-prosecute child pornography exception

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Post by yoyohello13 »

andsoitis wrote: post #179
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133

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Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

> You're allowed to exit the AI business. Isn’t it more fun to fight the incumbents, the behemoths, the goliaths?

Elon is the richest (and by extension most powerful) person in the world. How is he the scrappy underdog in any context?

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by yoyohello13 »

simianwords wrote: post #143
maipen wrote: post #107

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And why are you assuming the industry converged to it when your following statement dismantles your assumption? Spacex bought cursor, so it now has it’s agent ui which is just as good as codex + it’s multi-modal Anthropic also has it’s own ui Zai also launched theirs last month. Everyone is converging back to UI. The terminal was just a prototype, everyone knew that.

Claude code which is most used agent harness doesn’t have desktop equivalent

https://code.claude.com/docs/en/desktop

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by stronglikedan »

BatFastard wrote: post #345
qup wrote: post #324

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Because I don't believe what you just said about him. Literally not even one detail.

No need to believe, just look at the facts.

Ok done. Still don't believe it cuz the facts don't support it. It's interesting to see how far people attempt to stretch the facts tho.
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