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SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Post by yobutdude »

defrost wrote: post #569
yobutdude wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back n forth with someone who used "a bit silly" as a justification. You set a low bar out the gate. I merely met you down there. Numbers don't make a difference. They can be shaped to any argument like English or German because they're picked by the biases of the author. You seem to live in a rhetoric derived neural hallucination and are completely detached from physical reality, meaningful thresholds for verificati…

FWiW you were reading a lot better before this self aggrandising me and my STEM background twaddle. Read the room, you can't chuck a rock around here w/out hitting two.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

yobutdude wrote: post #450
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #432

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> They changed the rules for one person The timing isn’t great. But this was being discussed for a while. If it were only SpaceX, I’m doubtful the rules would have changed. But a tech index not including SpaceX, OpenAI, Anthropic and SK Hynix is a bit silly. And in the end, on index inclusion, the stock still fell. > simp…Twitter or Reddit Mm hmm.

> A bit silly Mm hmm I mean the planets would fly off orbit ...such thoughtless justification is not really disproving comparison to "anything goes" discourse of other platforms with a nonsense appeal to empty normalization 100% designed to offload an empty bag onto retail investors SpaceX is propped up entirely by government subsidy It has no real sustainable business unlike SK Hynix, very much like OAI and Anthropi…

How much of your money did they take? Are you one of those people that went all in on WallStreetbets?

Who should be at the gambling commissioner that allows such things? Should people be made Wards of the state and finances placed in Trump's noble stewardship?

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #572
yobutdude wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A bit silly Mm hmm I mean the planets would fly off orbit ...such thoughtless justification is not really disproving comparison to "anything goes" discourse of other platforms with a nonsense appeal to empty normalization 100% designed to offload an empty bag onto retail investors SpaceX is propped up entirely by government subsidy It has no real sustainable business unlike SK Hynix, very much like OAI and Anthropi…

How much of your money did they take? Are you one of those people that went all in on WallStreetbets? Who should be at the gambling commissioner that allows such things? Should people be made Wards of the state and finances placed in Trump's noble stewardship?

I didn’t consider that angle—thanks. I don’t day trade and don’t think anyone should. Lots of folks do anyway, however, and then they predictably lose money. It should be similarly predictable that they’ll then get upset and lash out, sometimes in the correct direction, often not.

(And the influencers pitching day trading and whatnot, lo and behold, are probably also selling the corruption of indices and why you should buy their crypto to not be a "simp" or whatnot.)

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Post by pitrpatrgetatr »

defrost wrote: post #569
yobutdude wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back n forth with someone who used "a bit silly" as a justification. You set a low bar out the gate. I merely met you down there. Numbers don't make a difference. They can be shaped to any argument like English or German because they're picked by the biases of the author. You seem to live in a rhetoric derived neural hallucination and are completely detached from physical reality, meaningful thresholds for verificati…

FWiW you were reading a lot better before this self aggrandising me and my STEM background twaddle. Read the room, you can't chuck a rock around here w/out hitting two.

Presumably that "twaddle" influenced the bits you found to read better.

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

stackghost wrote: post #476
tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #188

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Contrary to (apparently) popular opinion, index funds are not people.

This is such a weird response because nothing about index fund inclusion rules has anything to do with whether or not a fund is a person. Complete non sequitur. Can you explain what you mean? Did you accidentally reply to the wrong comment?

No you're confusing where agency lies.

The Nasdaq 100 is just a fund. Its existence doesn't force you or anyone else to do anything.

People can choose to buy stocks, and people can choose to buy the Nasdaq 100. Or not. Nobody is making you.

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Post by iririririr »

fragmede wrote: post #501
iririririr wrote: post #99

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guys a successful founder who lucked out and now has an academic hobby. I'd read other people if i were you.

Ad hominem.

yes. sometimes that's valid tho.

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

lenerdenator wrote: post #424
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #56

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Is it abuse of power or company success? Wouldn’t shareholders vote out any crazy successful ideas Elon had? Likely bankrupting companies at their early stages?

More and more, "abuse of power" and "company success" seem to be intertwined. Meta would be an excellent example of that.

I just realized that dictatorship is in a way the same thing. Look at Singapore. It is super successful because of "right" dictatorship. Libya was somewhat a good example with their insane water infrastructure and social programs.

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

pitrpatrgetatr wrote: post #574
defrost wrote: post #569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWiW you were reading a lot better before this self aggrandising me and my STEM background twaddle. Read the room, you can't chuck a rock around here w/out hitting two.

Presumably that "twaddle" influenced the bits you found to read better.

On what planet do our engineering backgrounds make us more effective communicators about wealth inequality and index inclusion?

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Post by hnburnsy »

lucd wrote: post #41

The worst about the SpaceX IPO is Nasdaq changing their inclusion rules for the Nasdaq 100. The index fast-tracked SpaceX stock for inclusion 15 days after the IPO, instead of the normal three-month seasoning period. They also changed its 10% minimum float rule to a 3x weighting boost for low-float stockss. So many people will unwillingly and prematurely invest into SpaceX, before it has any chance to discover its re…

>The worst about the SpaceX IPO is Nasdaq changing their inclusion rules for the Nasdaq 100

Why, no employer's 401K or retirement plan offers QQQ as an investment choice. Anyone buying the Nasdaq 100 is doing so by choice?

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