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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133
GodelNumbering wrote: post #114

This is not the right thing, this is the tactical thing. If you have an LLM with less than 1% of the share to begin with, you suffer from bad rep and you got caught uploading user data, one of the very few remaining tactical moves to try to climb out of it is this.

Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

I don’t know, I wouldnt be suprised if he finds a way. All the tools around, he just have to make a jump in the quality. With GLM as example they should be able to het to opus level and cut the costs

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by Telemakhos »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133
GodelNumbering wrote: post #114

This is not the right thing, this is the tactical thing. If you have an LLM with less than 1% of the share to begin with, you suffer from bad rep and you got caught uploading user data, one of the very few remaining tactical moves to try to climb out of it is this.

Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

Musk bought Twitter looking to build an “everything app,” the western WeChat. AI came along and promised an end to apps via an agentic OS that does what its user wants and vibes whatever it needs to accomplish that as it goes along. The agentic OS is basically the same thing as the “everything app,” and I doubt Musk will let go of that.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by teravor »

ninjagoo wrote: post #131

They claim to have deleted or will be deleting all the data they exfiltrated. There are independent agencies that will certify destruction of data. For example FTI Tech, Kroll, Epiq, HaystackID and others. No such certificates have been presented. Nothing less is trustworthy.

a certificate that data was destroyed is absolutely worthless no matter who it comes from.

what kind of sorcery do they have to let them determine that no backups were taken before they arrived to "certify"?

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Post by fanzeyi »

alasano wrote: post #201
falaki wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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As a general rule I don't use new products whose websites don't resize properly on mobile. If you fuck that up, makes me wonder what other obvious stuff you fuck up.

thanks for the feedback! there is no excuse for it, and I just pushed a fix for our website to look better on mobile.

if there is any other obvious stuff that's broken we are happy to take the feedback and fix it. :)

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by anonym29 »

verandaguy wrote: post #238
andsoitis wrote: post #227

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Relative to OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google in the AI space? Absolutely.

Nah. They're all rotten to the core, just in different ways. The key difference between xAI and Anthropic/OAI/Google is that xAI has the least-likely path to existing as viable business in a decade. That said, the economics of the entire AI industry are kinda made up at this point, so who really knows; it's quite possible that the players with the best odds of surviving the crash are those that can draw funding from…

>The key difference between xAI and Anthropic/OAI/Google is that xAI has the least-likely path to existing as viable business in a decade.

I don't know, renting out a fleet of GPUs at annualized rate of ~100% of the capex deployed to obtain said GPUs seems reasonably better than lighting hundreds of billions of dollars on fire in order to earn tens of billions of dollars.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by dijit »

brokencode wrote: post #225
dijit wrote: post #186

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I find the premise of your comment completely incredulous. I totally understand tribalism, and Elon and X aren't exactly well favoured. (not even by me) But what you're saying right now is that they advertised the fact that they can create child pornography and deepfakes.. I simply don't believe it, unless you provide evidence.

Elon himself promoted Grok’s “spicy mode” that allowed generating NSFW content that the other AI vendors wouldn’t touch with a 20 foot pole. Believe whatever you want. Elon’s beliefs and personality problems have been baked into the core of Grok, so it’s no surprise that it turned out to be a CSAM-generating MechaHitler that steals people’s data. Anybody surprised when Grok turns out to be trash really should read up…

Tumblr also permitted some more risqué content.

Yet we (rightly) condemned those that used this leniency to do nefarious things.

I'm really ready to get on the Elon hate train, and I will grant you that there was a problem that needs fixing, but I'm really not happy with the amount of censorship on these generative AI platforms.

Groks harness also clearly biases towards Elons views, Yet the washington post claims it's the most even handed and least likely to give politically biased answers: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2026/0...

idk how to interpret all this, despite being genuinely anti-Elon, I don't think I'm personally willing to immolate a company forever because the guardrails were temporarily too loose.

I'm not trying to make an equivalency for facts vs deepfake porn, but there is one there unfortunately, and overall internet freedom has been curtailed a lot by advertising friendliness.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by NikolaNovak »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133
GodelNumbering wrote: post #114

This is not the right thing, this is the tactical thing. If you have an LLM with less than 1% of the share to begin with, you suffer from bad rep and you got caught uploading user data, one of the very few remaining tactical moves to try to climb out of it is this.

Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

It is my limited understanding that as much as many of us groan at the notion of Spacex becoming "an AI-first company", markets in general, and Musk investors in particular, are slurping it up. Musk is very very very good at promising the sky. I don't think he can backtrack, he always digs in further - and it has historically worked well for him. He will drop AI only when the next big hype thing comes along and he hitches a ride on that train.

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Post by dmarcos »

this_user wrote: post #223
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

You misunderstand Musk's motivation. This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. One of the main reasons he exited OpenAI was the fact that the other co-founders wanted to create a structure where no one, Musk included, would be able to seize full control of the company. That was the thing that prompted him to leave, which tells you a lot about what he really wanted in the first place…

I’m a big fan of Musk. One of the few criticisms I have is how xAI is also inconsistent with original OpenAI mission. I had imagined xAI as en effort to correct and fully embody all original values of OpenAI and that Elon says they betrayed. That makes his criticism weaker and I understand why some can think it was all about control. In his words:

"I'm the reason OpenAl exists. I came up with the name. The name OpenAl refers to open source... The intent was - what was the opposite of Google? It would be an open source non-profit."

I sometimes feel xAI wants to live up to those open values so I always celebrate when they decide to engage in open source. They still don’t fully embrace it. Perhaps because they think is not practical or will make them less competitive?

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