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The End of Creativity

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Re: The End of Creativity

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Maybe I'm an outlier, but personally if a friend used ai to make me a gift like in TFA, I'd be pretty offended. Using AI shows that you didn't care enough to even think about it on your own. When I see a business use obviously AI generated imagery, I think "I'll stay away from them, they clearly don't care enough to do things the right way." It's a sign of disrespect and a lack of care. I know my partner thinks simil…

It's utterly mortifying. I would have been having an out-of-body experience if I was in attendance at such a wedding. If it had been my own wedding, I'd have been livid at the insult.

Re: The End of Creativity

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People are just trying stuff out! In the mid 90s I received several homemade clipart color inkjet greeting cards from relatives that had just gotten a computer. Trend didn’t last too long.

One of my favorite family photos is us standing in front of a big banner we made with dot matrix printer celebrating my grandparents 50th (this must have been in the mid-late 90s).

It was so incredible to me at the time as a very young man, there was even fonts! I think it was Print Shop Deluxe for Windows 3.1/95.

Re: The End of Creativity

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Better lesson: a LOT of people fancy themselves more creative than they are actually are, and rely on TROPES to the point of CLICHE which is shockingly obvious to actual practitioners.

This is why, nearly without fail, a writer’s First Screenplay is trash. Just…bad. The “I’ve watched a lot of movies so I’ve got this” is basically the stage of AI/LLM output, frontier level, in 2026.

That’s why Seth Rogen said every AI script he’s read was “dogshit.” And to be fair, the majority of human written scripts are dogshit too. It’s not that creativity is dead, it’s that we’re seeing the endgame of ego inflation as a cultural consumerism business model and that’s a problem not easily solved in the short term.

Please note I’m a 30 year guitarist. I have watched, without fail, thousands of postings on CraigsList for instruments purchased by parents or “music lovers” who finally decided to admit they’ll never be able to rise above below mediocrity, and sometimes they even admit it in the post. Learning to play the way I do now? My fingers bled. I had calloused fingertips I could stick a safety pin through. Guess what? Never made minimum wage because “anybody can play guitar” and club owners are scum 90% of the time. No use arguing with me, IYKYK.

Re: The End of Creativity

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post #7

Maybe I'm an outlier, but personally if a friend used ai to make me a gift like in TFA, I'd be pretty offended. Using AI shows that you didn't care enough to even think about it on your own. When I see a business use obviously AI generated imagery, I think "I'll stay away from them, they clearly don't care enough to do things the right way." It's a sign of disrespect and a lack of care. I know my partner thinks simil…

On the gift scale, an AI thing is worse than an envelope with cash.

I remember the day when my dad gave me $100 in an envelope. One of the worst days of my life.

Re: The End of Creativity

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Maybe I'm an outlier, but personally if a friend used ai to make me a gift like in TFA, I'd be pretty offended. Using AI shows that you didn't care enough to even think about it on your own. When I see a business use obviously AI generated imagery, I think "I'll stay away from them, they clearly don't care enough to do things the right way." It's a sign of disrespect and a lack of care. I know my partner thinks simil…

I wonder how many parents are looking forward to the day their kids can just talk to a computer and have an LLM produce all the works. That'll be something to proudly hang on the fridge, yeah?

This thread inspired me and I made this prompt for you:

“A comic of a kid and his father standing in the kitchen. The father is pinning a page to the fridge with a magnet while the kid stands there, proudly watching. The page is an image depicting a comic of a kid and his father standing in the kitchen as the father pins a page to the fridge with a magnet.”

Edit: I decided that without effort, a gift can fall a little flat. So I took the time to process the prompt for you. I hope you like it! https://ibb.co/PsdDjDLy

Re: The End of Creativity

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I think the creative outlets will just go into different directions. For example when the camera was invented it caused a crisis in painting since now you could accurately capture reality. So then you had impressionism and all the other -isms. People deride a lot of this art now ("my kid could paint that"), but I think it genuinely was creative at the time since it hadn't been done before. And more recently artists have been returning to a more realistic style but with an emphasis on capturing things that camera can't (for example David Hockney's exploration of very large scale landscape painting or paintings where the objects although painted more or less realistically are not all presented from the same perspective).

LLMs/generative AI make a lot of things that previously required lots of skill to do well easy and accessible to more people. This creates a lot of garbage, and devalues that technical skill but it also opens up new avenues for people to explore.

Even in software engineering I think we're seeing a lot of creativity now, but it has shifted from creating frameworks like Ruby on Rails or Django or systems like Linux and Postgres and towards models for how to program with agents. Although people talk about how LLMs will replace all programmers from what I see the role of the programmer has changed into something more like management. This is of course sad. It made me depressed for a bit since I'm someone who previously prided himself on his technical skill and understanding of hardware minutia, which the LLMs now understand quite well and often better than me, but it has also allowed me to work on larger problems than I could before and to build things that I previously couldn't because I didn't have the front-end knowledge to implement in timely way or the monetary resources to pay someone to do it for me.

Re: The End of Creativity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To echo your point—the “from the dawn of existence, up to this moment” framing seems to me a fairly familiar way for amateurs to reach for gravitas, in wedding speeches in particular, and especially between partners both of a certain social milieu… I wonder how much creativity matters for this type of work. I’m reminded of iPhoto’s little chintzy auto-generated reminiscence movies. Nobody confuses those “Ken Burns Ef…

I think for something like this, creativity is actually a detriment. You're not going to win an award for an extra-special video, you don't really want to draw attention away from the couple towards your clever editing you know?

I think this is the case more often than people want to admit. A lot of genres demand the expected and often demand even the cliche and you better have damn good reasons for straying from it. Usually it takes a lot more skill than most people have to successfully deviate from genre expectations in a way that doesn't make things worse.

If you're making a wedding video, you better stick to the genre expectations unless you're the next Scorcese.

Re: The End of Creativity

#48
I don't think this is the death of creativity. It is just a new kind of non-creativity. He is comparing to a baseline of zero (or perhaps negative) creativity before AI.

Without AI, it's likely that neither of these videos would have been made, right? Five years ago, was it a normal thing for even one, much less two, groups of wedding guests to produce a video to show at a wedding, and if so, would the video even have been good? I mean actually good, not "it's the thought that counts, A-for-effort" good.

Isn't this like saying, "I decided to write a song for my friend's wedding, and I used AI to help me, and I played it and everyone liked it, and then someone else played the song that they had AI write for them, and it sounded just like mine, and everyone loved that too!"

Writing songs is something that's been around long enough, that if guests had made a habit of performing their original songs at weddings, even a graybeard like me would have experienced it. The baseline to compare to is no original songs were performed.

As it happens, in the weddings I've attended, I've heard exactly one such wedding song, and it was awful.

Re: The End of Creativity

#49
You know what I've learned working weddings?

They're all basically the same. They hit the same beats. It's not where radical creativity is found. It couldn't be more of a bucketlist item just to say you did it because of social pressures to do so. No one wants surprises at a wedding. Do the ceremony, get the signature drink, sit down, boring speeches, lackluster meal, dance to Mr. Brightside, etc, etc, etc. Pay the many tens of thousands of dollars for whatever that all was. It might as well be getting Chick-Fil-A through the drive in. It's just another product to consume and it's all terrible.

The gross AI video is not the illness, it's just another symptom of the milquetoast wedding industry.

Re: The End of Creativity

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AI is merely exposing an already existing tendency. the creative output of the average non professional will always tend to the mean. it’s a tautology, that’s what the mean is. professional artists are treasured most of all for their _taste_, which tends to be novel and deliberate. the input of good taste into the Gaussian cloud of the average pulls it into new directions. the idea is in fact to improve the mean, tha…

I don't really like describing it as "taste", but I'll roll with it. (I dislike it because it's sort of an elite-coded rich person phrase in my experience. Also, everyone THINKS they have taste.) The thing about taste is that it's not something that's in-built, it's something you develop. Through working on things and failing. I don't think you can develop good taste by hitting regen a bunch or extra-special promptin…

No, it's built-in. Some people just have it. Take a room full of people, give them the same training, a few might stand out and get better, most will hit a ceiling, some will clearly have no ability at all.

People who have native abilities and persistence are the ones who get labelled talented.

You may be right that AI gen doesn't count as persistence. It's too early to tell on that. But I'm fairly sure that there's a difference between people who click regen robotically and people who review, steer, criticise, think, and then hit regen, with a very deliberate aim in mind.

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