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America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by lostlogin »

oblio wrote: post #67
lostlogin wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not in the US, but laughed when I saw that my bike is ‘known to cause cancer or birth defects/reproductive harm.’ When everything is dangerous, nothing is dangerous.

And you know that it's not dangerous based on... Gut feeling? Have you read the health warning in detail and disagree from an informed point of view or are you just generally opposed to regulation? Even better, can you link the bike model and health warning and let others take a look at it for you? Or just your neighborhood chat bot :-)

I’m on a Cervélo Soloist. I’ve just looked more carefully - the warnings is on the S5 (under the frame set sale option, specifically naming lead), so I’m safe!

https://www.cervelo.com/en-GB/bikes/s5

So I’m in the clear. I’m pro good regulation. This warning is ridiculous and it’s plastered all over things in California such that it’s useless. Yes, there are toxic things on a bike. How many riders or their offspring were harmed as a result of them?

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by oblio »

TomK32 wrote: post #189
oblio wrote: post #122

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That's not what I'm saying. Based on OPs phrasing, their specific bike was marked as a health hazard. Maybe their bike is painted with lead based paint. There could be a million reasons a specific model could be unhealthy.

Oh sorry, I missed that CA over-cautious warning label nonsense.

> Oh sorry, I missed that CA over-cautious warning label nonsense.

See, that's the thing... what "over-cautious warning label nonsense"? What are they actually warning about? Which chemicals/products?

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by oblio »

lostlogin wrote: post #191
oblio wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you know that it's not dangerous based on... Gut feeling? Have you read the health warning in detail and disagree from an informed point of view or are you just generally opposed to regulation? Even better, can you link the bike model and health warning and let others take a look at it for you? Or just your neighborhood chat bot :-)

I’m on a Cervélo Soloist. I’ve just looked more carefully - the warnings is on the S5 (under the frame set sale option, specifically naming lead), so I’m safe! https://www.cervelo.com/en-GB/bikes/s5 So I’m in the clear. I’m pro good regulation. This warning is ridiculous and it’s plastered all over things in California such that it’s useless. Yes, there are toxic things on a bike. How many riders or their offspring w…

Does the warning harm you? That's the ultimate benchmark of bad legislation?

Annoying legislation is just... meh.

Now, what would be ideal if they would actually list the harmful chemicals and where exactly they are used. There are certifications that require that kind of disclosure and for people that do care, they're gold.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by Arodex »

eudamoniac wrote: post #164
Arodex wrote: post #119

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>CO2 emissions have been consistently declining in both the USA and Europe for over 2 decades now. The bulk of the CO2 increase over that time period comes from China and India. Global warming didn't start two weeks ago, nor two decades ago. Most of human generated CO2 and most of the calories accumulated by greenhouse effect are still directly caused by Americans, both in absolute numbers and relative per capita. >A…

The only reason US has more total output than EU, if that's true, is because EU was and is incapable of scaling industry, innovating, creating value, etc, which is why in 2026 they still see a basic AC unit as unaffordable luxury and why we are posting on this American website about American companies all the time.

Ho, sure, the fact you "emptied" a while continent of its inhabitants and got cheap land and tons of every natural resources while Europe had already expended theirs during the previous century has nothing to do with it: it is YOU who are superior human being.

Tell me how you would install AC units for all of 2 millions inhabitants of Paris, a city older than your country, the third most visited city in the world, without destroying its character, but more importantly: a stone city, at the bottom of a sedimentary basin, without making the heat problem worse to anyone in the streets or unable to buy an AC?

You can then yap again about how easy and cheap it was to punch AC ducts through the flimsy walls of your McMansion in the soulless suburbia you live in, an hour of boring highway from your "scaling, creative, value creating" job.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by eudamoniac »

Arodex wrote: post #194
eudamoniac wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason US has more total output than EU, if that's true, is because EU was and is incapable of scaling industry, innovating, creating value, etc, which is why in 2026 they still see a basic AC unit as unaffordable luxury and why we are posting on this American website about American companies all the time.

Ho, sure, the fact you "emptied" a while continent of its inhabitants and got cheap land and tons of every natural resources while Europe had already expended theirs during the previous century has nothing to do with it: it is YOU who are superior human being. Tell me how you would install AC units for all of 2 millions inhabitants of Paris, a city older than your country, the third most visited city in the world , w…

Resource constraints are irrelevant. I didn't posit a claim for why EU is incapable; I certainly didn't mention "superior human being"s. If EU had had resources, EU would have put out more CO2. You blame USA as though it was a decision unique to them, but they just happened to be in place to do it. No country in that position would have behaved differently.

So, you can get over your cities' "character" or be hot, whichever you prefer. Sorry bud. (Not that Paris's character is intact these days, anyway.)

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by anonym29 »

rjrjrjrj wrote: post #166
anonym29 wrote: post #107

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The odds a child will be killed by an armed assailant at a school in the USA are about 1 in 5 million per year, and if you narrow down to mass shootings at schools, that drops to about 1 in 10 million. Between 2013 and 2022, a total of 77 students in grades K-12 have been killed in 11 school mass shootings, in a country with 50 million school children. A child in America is about 500-600x more likely to die in a car…

A child in America is more likely to die than a child in Europe, Canada, Aus, NZ, ...

Sure, but almost never from a school shooting - usually from a car accident. That is one place where I'll be the first to acknowledge America isn't doing great on with regards to child safety.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by jibal »

jibal wrote: post #13
sokoloff wrote: post #3

> We measure resources by using per capita gross domestic product – the amount of money in a country evenly divided among its entire population. GDP is not "the amount of money in a country". GDP is the monetary value of goods and services produced within a country during a given period (a flow, measured in dollars-per-year). The amount of money in a country is a measure at a point in a time (a stock, measured in dol…

That text is linked to a graph where the X axis is years.

Gawd only knows who this guy thinks he's quoting in the nonsensical response.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by krapp »

atmavatar wrote: post #188
krapp wrote: post #95

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>yeah the hostility started recently with trump and his ilk - fighting for nationalism of a bygone era. It definitely didn't start with Trump, it just became policy under him. Trump would never have had a chance if Americans didn't already blame immigrants for the effects of neoliberalism rather than the billionaires who put it into practice, and if the rural white populace weren't already afraid losing the cultural…

> Trump would never have had a chance if Americans didn't already blame immigrants for the effects of neoliberalism rather than the billionaires who put it into practice That's by design. The billionaires who own the media conglomerates have spent decades airing propaganda to that effect, as well as perpetuating the myth that anyone can become wealthy if they just work hard enough, with the implicit contra-positive b…

Yep.

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon B. Johnson

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by stasomatic »

DarkNova6 wrote: post #176
stasomatic wrote: post #136

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I live in the US. I disagree about the hostility towards non-citizens. If you are talking about ICE, it's more about racism. They are not gunning down Brits, Germans or Australians. Agree about the rest. Can I come live in your country? :)

Not from the population itself but the changes to policy and hostility at the border. This includes restricted access even to visas, but also handing over your unlocked phone if you are a foreign national. Nothing of that sort is done when you make a visit for China. In fact, I could go there for 2 weeks without the need for a visa. For over a year it has actually been the official recommendation to bring a burner ph…

I replied to the parent post about hostility towards non-citizens. I am not sure if they meant from the administration or general population. There is zero to none from the latter. Sure, there are going to be some hicks in the boonies in their camo who will say inappropriate things about folks south of the border, etc. I am sure that happens in the most tolerant European countries as well.

That said - I moved to the States in the late '80 as a teen (NYC/Brooklyn/NJ) from Ukraine. I lived all over the country since, except for PNW and the Midwest. The US was different then. Perhaps my glasses were rosier then. Perhaps it's because the net was in its nascent phase. By a strange twist of fate, I ended up working for a Ukrainian company until recently. When my ex-colleagues asked me "should I move", I told them no, stay in Europe. Culture, infrastructure, medicine, work-to-live. It takes me 9 hours to fly to Barcelona from Miami + customs, as opposed to a 2 hour train from Paris to London without any TSA shenanigans. I'd move to Europe in a sec, but it's too late, too many roots. One thing I'll add, as banal as it is, one can become an American, but one would probably never become French or German or Polish.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Post by stasomatic »

lostlogin wrote: post #4
DarkNova6 wrote: post #2

As somebody living outside the US, I would find moving to the states highly undesirable even if it wasn't for the hostility towards non-US citizens. To me, it would mean a significant reduction in quality of live and I am low-key scared of all the ingredients and additives in food that are pretty much banned everywhere else. Not to mention all risks regarding healthcare.

I’m not in the US, but laughed when I saw that my bike is ‘known to cause cancer or birth defects/reproductive harm.’ When everything is dangerous, nothing is dangerous.

Look up California Proposition 65 warning labels [0]. Every parking structure or a building is dangerous to your health, enter at your own risk. It's very endearing. Our taxes at work.

[0] https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov

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