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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by jamiequint » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:38 PM UTC

jdiff wrote: post #55

jamiequint wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-making-changes...

Starkly different. One was a well meaning attempt to squash model bias gone wrong, the other is a deliberately inserted bias. Even ignoring all that, whataboutism is not persuasive.

The reality is both are likely well meaning attempts to squash model bias gone wrong. Since you happen to align with the politics of one more than the other, you are having trouble being intellectually honest about your own biases.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by alex1138 » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:38 PM UTC

ok_dad wrote: post #66

moscoe wrote: post #50

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> the cave thing

Yeah, this does matter to me. I was willing to give him a pass (still am) in a vacuum regarding the Twitter thing given the mass censorship of the old regime (sorry - no, it wasn't acceptable, in any way shape or form) but if he's that petty it doesn't bode well. I keep saying I can believe one thing without subscribing to the Elon fan club

Doesn't bode well for SpaceX either. Isn't one of the Artemis landers from SpaceX?!

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by larpingscholar » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:39 PM UTC

avaer wrote: post #13

SimianSci wrote: post #6

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It's Apache 2.0. You can have your agents audit it if you want. What does this release have to do with "trusting" XAI?

  curl -fsSL https://x.ai/cli/install.sh | bash

this is unauditable trust in XAI.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by sscaryterry » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:39 PM UTC

blfr wrote: post #29

SimianSci wrote: post #6

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Your choice is Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, or the Chinese. Who are the good actors within the space?

The Chinese are surely less evil than Anthropic, OpenAI and/or Google, at this stage at least.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by ryandrake » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:39 PM UTC

jdiff wrote: post #55

jamiequint wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-making-changes...

Starkly different. One was a well meaning attempt to squash model bias gone wrong, the other is a deliberately inserted bias. Even ignoring all that, whataboutism is not persuasive.

Also, it's Whataboutism: Other Company Y doing something bad/untrustworthy isn't a counter to Company X doing something similarly bad/untrustworthy. Both can be bad.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by swasheck » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

jamiequint wrote: post #62

mplewis wrote: post #42

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explain why it's an ad hominem

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this is an argument from silence because your defense for your assertion rests on the lack of evidence from the assertion to which you replied.

you made the assertion that it is ad hominem and now you must support it.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by jamiequint » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #52

mplewis wrote: post #45

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read any of your other replies

OP seems to be asking for examples with an intent to dismiss and downplay each of them, and not to actually read into them and challenge his existing beliefs about X/Grok/Musk.

LOL, pot meet kettle for real.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by lifthrasiir » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

ahmadyan wrote: post #59

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> exfiltrating user data (including env files, entire source code etc) which is what grok-build did here

I think env files are filtered out [1]. Anyway, the most suspicious code would be `upload_session_state` which is currently a stub function, though it is hard to say if it was only planned (badly) or has been removed as a damage control.

[1] https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/c1b5909ec707c069f...

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by brookst » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:41 PM UTC

ok_dad wrote: post #66

moscoe wrote: post #50

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You forgot DOGE, an illegal program that stole taxpayer information, cost billions of dollars, and will result in the deaths of hundreds of thousand of people.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by jdiff » Wed, Jul 15, 2026, 9:41 PM UTC

jamiequint wrote: post #71

jdiff wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starkly different. One was a well meaning attempt to squash model bias gone wrong, the other is a deliberately inserted bias. Even ignoring all that, whataboutism is not persuasive.

The reality is both are likely well meaning attempts to squash model bias gone wrong. Since you happen to align with the politics of one more than the other, you are having trouble being intellectually honest about your own biases.

In no way are you being intellectually honest if you think that hamfisted system prompt push to prod manipulation was an attempt to squash bias. And again, whataboutism doesn't make xAI better because others are doing bad, too. You asked for evidence of xAI untrustworthiness and received it.