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OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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>More pertinently "the term is purely descriptive and therefore lacks the distinctiveness required for trademark protection." As I wrote in my other comment, "open systems" also can be purely descriptive and yet Open Systems seems to be a valid trademark in Europe. I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm just confused that the rules for allowing trademarks for ordinary words and phrases don't look consistent at the surface lev…

> I'm just confused that the rules for allowing trademarks for ordinary words and phrases don't look consistent at the surface level Precedence in court decisions is weighted more in some places than others. US courts, from my pedestrian observation, are all into "well there is a precedent so we'll follow that". But other countries don't necessarily do that, their courts might be more eager to disregard it and do wha…

Even the US does change policies every once in a while. This is a case where Open Systems was last challenged under the old rule set when it was acceptably descriptive. Since that point standards have changed and, presumably, Open Systems might now be exposed to a similar mark challenge.

Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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I think there is most likely set of adjectives that would fall under same reasoning. GreenAI or FreeAI likely would be also be refused. On other hand RedAI or BlueAI might very well pass. It is not entirely unreasonable decision if you consider if the terms would be used in regular conversations on AI.

UnicornAI. You’re welcome

An excellent example of something that clearly wouldn't be distinctive since all AI related endeavors bill themselves as unicorns.

Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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ChatGPT is a household name. And OpenAi is actually not, people outside tech don't necessarily know it.

Being well known is not part of determining if a trademark is valid

It is, though: https://guidelines.euipo.europa.eu/2319054/2227105/trade-mar...

Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there is most likely set of adjectives that would fall under same reasoning. GreenAI or FreeAI likely would be also be refused. On other hand RedAI or BlueAI might very well pass. It is not entirely unreasonable decision if you consider if the terms would be used in regular conversations on AI.

> RedAI I suppose that could be a generic term for any AI used as an mock adversarial or sparring-partner role, like how "red team" is today. > BlueAI Would refer to an LLM/agent rained to simulate clinical depression... ...at which point I would ask why we're creating things that will know only pain and suffering? Are we the baddies now?

> RedAI

That's Qwen.

> BlueAI

“All the Troubles of the World” (Asimov, 1959)

Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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Someone finally asks some sensible questions, about hijacking of the term "open".

Preventing companies named [adjective]+[product/service provided] doesn't seem sustainable.

This ruling is very early in the process and doesn't prevent anything - but given the more likely bad path outcome of this case for OpenAI it wouldn't disallow their usage of OpenAI but instead prevent them from shutting down competitors that claim to offer an open AI.

Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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> The EUIPO found that the word "open" would be understood by the relevant public as meaning freely accessible, while the combination with "AI" (artificial intelligence) would be interpreted as referring to products based on openly accessible artificial intelligence. > for certain software and information technology goods and services, the term is purely descriptive and therefore lacks the distinctiveness required fo…

This seems pretty silly.

Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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We had a similar result when a big U.S. defense company (Kratos) tried to take our open source project's domain name: open.space The panel ruled in our favor, that their OPENSPACE trademark is probably invalid because it is descriptive. https://domainnamewire.com/2026/04/08/u-s-defense-contractor...

but you changed the name anyways, why?

Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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We had a similar result when a big U.S. defense company (Kratos) tried to take our open source project's domain name: open.space The panel ruled in our favor, that their OPENSPACE trademark is probably invalid because it is descriptive. https://domainnamewire.com/2026/04/08/u-s-defense-contractor...

Just in case you didn’t notice: open.space seems inaccessible at the moment and the error page points to https://developers.cloudflare.com/support/troubleshooting/ht...

Tangentially www.openspace.ai also exists.

Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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Do they have a trademark on the word apple with no other context? I thought it was Apple computer, which is distinct.

Apple is also a record label (that existed before the computer company), specifically one owned by the Beatles. There were even some legal battles between them, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer Apparently it ended with Apple Computers buying the trademark from Apple (record company) and then licencing it back (weird but ok).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosumi

Re: OpenAI loses trademark dispute at EU court

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> OpenAI had argued that the word "open" has multiple possible meanings and that "OPENAI" is a coined term without a fixed meaning.

Duh. The open in OpenAI isn't supposed to mean open. We've all been complaining about nothing.

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