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Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by amluto »

This stinks.

On the one hand, sure, the unlimited aviation plans are targeting customers with lots of money. And they involve fancy, expensive-to-replace, FAA-approved hardware.

On the other hand, it’s sort of an easy market to target as such things go, and TAM is limited. In the areas where terrestrial radio for airplanes isn’t viable (rural areas and over water), there is a very low density of Internet user and satellite constellation that can cover the whole planet will have plenty of bandwidth.

Right now this is Starlink and, with MUCH lower available bandwidth and correspondingly lower pricing, Iridium. But Rocketlab is surely planning to grow Iridium and Amazon is planning to launch Leo soon. And there is still only so much aviation Internet money to go around.

So I think that SpaceX trying to juice profits on a small market that is only temporarily captive is a bad sign.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by epistasis »

ben_w wrote: post #140
scottyah wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the end of the day, there's the people who can make a vastly superior product time and time again, and they all like to work with other people who can do the same. They like to be pushed, they love solving hard problems, hate bureaucracy, and will find leaders that can accommodate all that. Elon provides that the same as Steve did.

> people who can make a vastly superior product time and time again, and they all like to work with other people who can do the same These parts are likely pushing the best minds away from Musk these days. Not sure when that turned, perhaps Cybertruck?

I agree, though honestly it starts with any of Musk's product presentation events, which, frankly are all absolutely terrible compared to what Jobs would put on.

Musk is good at getting money, he is not good at product design. Jobs had amazing taste, Musk has terrible taste. If Musk has a talent beyond raising money, it can be in making bold management moves, at least that's what I hear from CEOs that admire Musk. But I think in the past five years all the bold choices have not been so fantastic.

Cybertruck was when people started to see that the emperor had no clothes, i think.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by estearum »

panative wrote: post #175
estearum wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people on this forum actually have investments in SpaceX, directly or indirectly, and they're interested in this stuff as a signal of the health of the company. Not everything has to be some little gripefest.

Won’t somebody please think of the poor SpaceX shareholders? (Not that the article was framed that way.)

Huh? Having an interest in something is not the same as seeking sympathy.

lol what a complainer you are

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by ryandrake »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #73
BoppreH wrote: post #3

Note that this is for the "aviation plan" which already requires six-digits equipment.

Starlink should probably reverse course on this however, it's one thing to pay 10k for up to 20 guests on a small private jet vs a company like Delta with a fleet of 747s. Charge Delta 20k, charge this guy 10k.

Also, not everyone in "aviation" is either an airliner or a 20 seat private jet. Joe Piston flying his two seater Cessna that cost him about as much as a new Toyota is not ever going to be paying Starlink's aviation price.

They really need more price tiers and scale them by a better price differentiator: max gross weight or number of seats.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by esseph »

kamranjon wrote: post #115
esseph wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but it seems it's just for folks in super remote areas at this point? TBF that's like 70% of the US, large parts of the Southern Hemisphere in general, much of China, India, Russia, etc. But yes, StarLink is best when it has some user density but not too much user density. It will be this way until... probably forever. If I go camping? StarLink. Otherwise no cell/internet service.

70% seems a little extreme? Here is a helpful mobile coverage map: https://www.fcc.gov/BroadbandData/MobileMaps/mobile-map A few years ago I actually traveled all around the US and worked remotely with a 4g unlimited data sim card and was pretty amazed at the coverage, only very few places was I left without coverage. I'm guessing it's even better now?

You should spend more time out west or midwest in places like: Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, Washington, North Dakota, or head up to Alaska, etc.

There are a lot of places in and around the Appalachian and Blue Ridge mountains that have no service.

Note: I know a lot of rural ISPs serving these markets, or that have been trying to for decades - I know precisely when StarLink will work like crap or be great for the customer (given options at all).

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by engineer_22 »

engineer_22 wrote: post #18
BoppreH wrote: post #3

Note that this is for the "aviation plan" which already requires six-digits equipment.

Furnishing low-latency, broadband connectivity to private aircraft. The Challenger 350 noted in the article stickers north of $10M

For comparison,

If you live in a $300,000 home and pay $100/month for internet you’re paying 0.4% per year for the service.

If you own a $15,000,000 jet and pay $20,000/month for internet you’re paying 1.6% per year for the service.

By this comparison, we might say private jet owners are paying 4x more for their internet on their plane.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by engineer_22 »

ryandrake wrote: post #185
throwitaway222 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starlink should probably reverse course on this however, it's one thing to pay 10k for up to 20 guests on a small private jet vs a company like Delta with a fleet of 747s. Charge Delta 20k, charge this guy 10k.

Also, not everyone in "aviation" is either an airliner or a 20 seat private jet. Joe Piston flying his two seater Cessna that cost him about as much as a new Toyota is not ever going to be paying Starlink's aviation price. They really need more price tiers and scale them by a better price differentiator: max gross weight or number of seats.

Joe Piston probably has enough on his plate flying his 2-seater without global 1Gbps entertainment-on-demand or executing trades on his brokerage account while his team of financiers crunch the numbers in row 2.

Starlink Aviation has 2 General Aviation tiers at $200/mo and $1,000/mo, 3 business tiers, $4000/mo, $12,500/mo, $20,000/mo, and negotiable “Fleet” pricing for commercial and government.

https://starlink.com/business/aviation?srsltid=AfmBOoqiIuBL1...

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by r3trohack3r »

bigbadfeline wrote: post #172
wat10000 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me guess... if you put the address into their handy text box, they tell you exactly what the demand surcharge is going to be for that location? I tried it, and would you look at that, I was right. I guess if you buy an entire house without checking to see what it costs to get internet service at that location, then you might be in a tough spot. Hard to blame it on anyone else though.

> I guess if you buy an entire house without checking We aren't talking about people buying hoses now , these fees weren't there before, so it becomes a typical bait and switch. "Congestion charge" means the starlink network lacks sufficient capacity to accommodate the areas that need it the most and where it was advertised the most. https://tech.yahoo.com/transportation/articles/elon-musk-cha... Jul 5, 2026The conge…

> Under Carr's leadership, Musk's rocket company has effectively been given carte blanche in its efforts to roll out its orbital Starlink broadband service to more Americans

This article is profoundly disturbing. The audacity to think the government has _allowed_ people to voluntarily purchase Internet service from a provider capable of servicing their geography. As if this is an assumption to be broken!

I’m sure glad my government has given me permission to purchase goods and services!

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by ryandrake »

engineer_22 wrote: post #188
ryandrake wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, not everyone in "aviation" is either an airliner or a 20 seat private jet. Joe Piston flying his two seater Cessna that cost him about as much as a new Toyota is not ever going to be paying Starlink's aviation price. They really need more price tiers and scale them by a better price differentiator: max gross weight or number of seats.

Joe Piston probably has enough on his plate flying his 2-seater without global 1Gbps entertainment-on-demand or executing trades on his brokerage account while his team of financiers crunch the numbers in row 2. Starlink Aviation has 2 General Aviation tiers at $200/mo and $1,000/mo, 3 business tiers, $4000/mo, $12,500/mo, $20,000/mo, and negotiable “Fleet” pricing for commercial and government. https://starlink.com/…

Of course a pilot is not going to trading stocks while flying, but there are plenty of safety reasons to have in-cockpit connectivity, including weather, notams, long-range comms with their destination, and so on. Not to mention convenient Internet for a passenger on a long flight, who themselves might want to trade their stocks.

These use cases are approximately competing with SiriusXM weather, which has price tiers from $29.99/mo to $99.99/mo.

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