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Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Using AI for making decisions create a whole host of novel vulnerabilities.

I've seen a lot of people talk about the obvious privacy and autonomy disaster it creates -- giving companies (and anyone who can legally compel or hack them) such intimate details or allowing yourself to be dependent on their services which they can withdraw or degrade at any time... Or where the model operators can bias the results based on bribes (ad payments) or their own agenda ... but really that's the start.

Another one what I haven't seen discussed is that use of an AI provides oracle access to your opponents. What I mean is that if I want to influence you, I can have an AI try variations of arguments against the model you're using (or if I don't know, a panel of models you might be using) until it can construct a super influential output. I can see what your model might recommend and anticipate your actions and change my actions to control yours. This can be done in a targeted way against individual people, or against populations e.g. by marketers.

There are reasons why this may be even more effective than it seems: It appears that models themselves are trained on each other, so in testing I see in family effects: GPT-4o mini seems much more convinced by essays written by GPT5 than ones written by GLM 5.2, while other models are more neutral (and my human review says the GPT5 essays are unambiguously worse in this trial). So I assume GPT5's writing was refined by review by in-family models and it's already somewhat of a super persuader against GPT-4o mini as a result.

The danger of oracle access is somewhat a symptom of AI monoculture resulting in a reasoning monoculture. If there were a billion highly distinct models widely used then it might be the only way to convince or predict a disproportionate portion of them would be to simply be right, and then we'd just be left with a operational security concern of making sure your opponents/competitors don't know what model(s) you use. But of course, that isn't the world we have today: people use a small number of models, and their behavior is generally pretty related due to architectural commonalities and cross distillation and such.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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I don't know if this is a good framing. "Too much" is subjective, and every heavy AI user will assert that they're just unlocking their potential, that calculators didn't make us dumber, etc. But to latch onto the calculator argument: if you outsource adding numbers to a calculator, you're still you. On the flip side, if you use an LLM do most of your thinking, what's left? We have people here who use LLMs to raise t…

The thing with calculator argument that always gets me. I do math unconsciously all the time. Even something as simple as adjusting a recipe when cooking. I don't need to grab a device to do that, I just do the quick math in my head. And the only way I can do that is because I learned how to do math. And even with a calculator, I still needed to know what to calculate. The argument "we don't need math, we have a calc…

I think you are underestimating how fast this stuff is moving. Calling AI "just autocomplete" for system architecture is outdated.

If you were to ask it (especially with Claude's newer model, Fable 5) to draft an architecture design diagram, it would do a better job than any junior dev ever could. Sure, giving context is still necessary, but you can just speak in plain, normal English and it will understand. AI is getting scary good at system design.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Sure. So to bring it all back together: I don't think I'd want to rely upon having a rental pocket calculator to use. It could become unavailable at any time, for any reason. For something as common, inexpensive, and easy to find as pocket calculators have been for decades, renting one sounds crazy. But that's the way that clown-based LLMs are: They're rented. They could disappear at any time. And sure, I do use the…

Given the power draw of the GPUs and RAM needed to run those local LLMs, I don't see them being comfortable to hold in one's pocket anytime soon. :-) Not until some not-yet-imagined breakthrough in heat dissipation is made. But a thin client that talks to the local LLM on your private network, that's already possible today. So yes, within the next 5-10 years I fully expect I'll actually want to use an AI assistant on…

Power consumption per unit of work keeps going down, too. Our pocket supercomputers are astoundingly efficient compared to what it used to take to get the same work done at relatable points in the past. We'll get there.

Before we get there, we'll have network connectivity to our desktop AI boxes at home. That's pretty good, too.

And if this clown-bot[1] boom is a bubble (as I believe it is), then it's just a matter of time before it pops. The blast radius is unknown, but at one end it seems likely to result in something between potentially-idle fabs that have already been mostly paid for. Idle factories are bad and it makes sense to avoid that even if it is expensive, so this means cheap hardware.

At the other end, it means failed companies with fabs that are sold for pennies on the dollar alongside a resolute unwillingness amongst the investors (who just had their asses handed to them) to start on Boom 2.0. This latter scenario would mean golden age of cheap hardware.

I think we'll be fine.

[1]: Yeah, clown is on purpose. It fits as a replacement in any technical parlance where "cloud" would be used. :)

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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I fear more for the future where you're forced to offload your thinking to AI. Everything you say must be cited with LLM, everything you do must be signed off by The LLM. If you're in a meeting and have an idea, but Fable 9 says it's not a good idea, you cannot pursue it or you lose your job. The low-friction path will always be to do what the LLM tells you, and many people will shut off and surrender completely. (th…

This looks like the Divinity Machine from Doom.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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The thing with calculator argument that always gets me. I do math unconsciously all the time. Even something as simple as adjusting a recipe when cooking. I don't need to grab a device to do that, I just do the quick math in my head. And the only way I can do that is because I learned how to do math. And even with a calculator, I still needed to know what to calculate. The argument "we don't need math, we have a calc…

I think you are underestimating how fast this stuff is moving. Calling AI "just autocomplete" for system architecture is outdated. If you were to ask it (especially with Claude's newer model, Fable 5) to draft an architecture design diagram, it would do a better job than any junior dev ever could. Sure, giving context is still necessary, but you can just speak in plain, normal English and it will understand. AI is ge…

> Calling AI "just autocomplete" for system architecture is outdated.

I didn't say that, though.

> it would do a better job than any junior dev ever could. Sure, giving context is still necessary, but you can just speak in plain, normal English and it will understand. AI is getting scary good at system design.

Sure. But that's not my point. Don't you still want those juniors to be capable of creating those diagrams? So they can understand them? If the juniors don't get what the AI is outputting, why are you even creating the diagrams in the first place, right?

That's what this topic is about. Just like how calculators helped us do complex tasks, we still needed to understand math. Same with AI, you still need to be understand the topics you ask it to do.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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I don't know if this is a good framing. "Too much" is subjective, and every heavy AI user will assert that they're just unlocking their potential, that calculators didn't make us dumber, etc. But to latch onto the calculator argument: if you outsource adding numbers to a calculator, you're still you. On the flip side, if you use an LLM do most of your thinking, what's left? We have people here who use LLMs to raise t…

> On the flip side, if you use an LLM do most of your thinking, what's left?

If your answer is "not much", you gotta step up so that the answer is closer to "more than ever was".

You dug the holes in the ground with a shovel your entire life. Suddenly somebody gifts you a digger, nearly for free. If your reaction to this is "what's left for me now? anyone could just pull levers, no strength or skill needed!" not, "I could dig so much more and deeper holes with this digger!" then you need to chill, reflect, then fight your fear and perverse laziness and learn how to become the best person to pull the levers.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Okay, and you're not wrong, but it sounds like you're filtering out most of the shit that humanity is producing and then lecturing folks that say LLMs are smarter than most people. It's kind of like you hang out in a Buddhist monastery saying, "I don't know what you guys are talking about - people are so peace-loving!"

No, I'm interacting with people in person. I'd debate your claim that "most of the shit that humanity is producing" is internet-mediated, but your choice of noun renders that rather moot. Stop ingesting shit. There's a whole world out there.

You are heavily self-selecting what part of humanity you interact in the real world as well. You pick your friends, places you live, places you frequent, times you choose to go out and so on.

I didn't know how wide the humanity variance is before I had to go to a government office to exchange identity card (as the old one expires after some years). In the queue, when I looked to my left and right I saw some of the most bizarre people I ever saw. Because they were picked fully randomly just by having their identity documents sort of "off by one" in relation to mine. Humans and their output, when taken representatively are at most tolerable.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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I keep hearing my this very much, so I have a question: what fun parts are there left for me? It feels like this message of “offloading mundane tasks so you will have more time to do fun parts” is being pushed so hard, but in reality the opposite is happening. Fun parts are being offloaded while I’m left doing the soul sucking and mundane parts

I need a bash script for example. I don’t like dealing with bash or debugging scripts written by others. I have that part covered by AI so I can get multiple servers up and running and then eventually fix some config or networking here and there which I like. Instead of bashing my head against the wall.

I'll take this as an uninvited opportunity to plug nushell. Ive never got on with bash, it feels like too much of the friction is incidental to the problem, whereas with nushell I find I get to the fun intrinsic difficulty of a problem. YMMV but give it a try if you haven't before

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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I am increasingly finding my consulting work to be orientated around clearing up after people who outsourced their thinking to AI. I'm seeing some incredibly dumb stuff: researchers spending months on Claude trying to do insane deduplication, unrelated to their research question, using regex; whole research methodologies YOLO'd out of ChatGPT. The results invariably chaotic, resulting in huge amounts of stress and wa…

Coding LLMs got good only very recently (about 3 months ago). And many people don't use the best ones. The amount of LLM generated bs dropped for me from about 20%, which made me very cautious, to nearly zero, where I see the agent do only the errors that a smart person could also make.

It's not evenly distributed though. There are still areas for improvement in my experience. They still require a bit of handholding for example when doing SQL when large amount of data is involved. I'm sure they'll get better intuitions about indexes in the future. Although I don't think that's anything that couldn't be solved with a skill file today.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Maybe it's a way of perspective. I adore to use AI to actually learn, so I don't feel like I offload thinking. I use AI to do all the research which earlier I did manual through google search. I still make my own decisions, I just let Claude spoon feed me all infos I want and need. Feels great man

It’s just so sycophantic though.

I don't understand people who can't get past that. I just do the same what I do when humans compliment me. Gloss over sugary bs and focus on the content.
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