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Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by petu »

SXX wrote: post #59
isatty wrote: post #51

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- Telegram has exemplary fast, native clients on most platforms I’ve used it on - Cat stickers - Did I mention it has the best native clients out of all the messaging apps? It boggles the mind why other companies can’t get this done.

Durov was smart enough to let community build open source clients and use them. And to make internally built clients open source.

Most people use official clients and AFAIK they don't really accept any external contributions? All clients were fully developed by employees.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by LastTrain »

cropcirclbureau wrote: post #78
Peanuts99 wrote: post #46

The more I learn about telegram, the sketchier it seems.

There's a lot of sketchy things about telegram but I'm confused, what exactly in this article seems sketchy to you?

A fee based service without site redundancy for one?

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by opem »

tjohns wrote: post #56
josephg wrote: post #53

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I’ve never used the telegram app. What do you like about it compared to signal / WhatsApp?

- Messages send quickly and reliably, even under poor and sometimes hostile network conditions. Telegram just seems to work even when other chat apps struggle. - Telegram uses usernames instead of phone numbers by default, which is good if you're using it as an IRC replacement instead of an SMS replacement. - You can have the client open on essentially unlimited devices simultaneously, including a web app if you need…

I'll add a few more:

- insanely fast search, chat history browsing and in app navigation - unlimited unencrypted cloud storage, your chats and docs always stays available - ability to send very large files - ability to host large video and voice chats - chat automation - auto translation and transcription - mini apps - open source client, with lots of customization - phone number less sign up (you can purchase a burner number from them and sign up with that, I guess it costs their crypto (ton) tho) - sending gifts

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by Valodim »

isatty wrote: post #51
wronex wrote: post #50

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Agreed. I don’t see the appeal compared to Signal. Although, Signal is also sketchy with an operating cost in the tens of millions of dollars per year. Where does the money come from?

- Telegram has exemplary fast, native clients on most platforms I’ve used it on - Cat stickers - Did I mention it has the best native clients out of all the messaging apps? It boggles the mind why other companies can’t get this done.

Simple to do when you don't care about e2e and clients can just show data they receive to the user with little logic of their own. It is a world of difference in complexity.

Those nice things are what you get when you're fine having all your data (messages, images, files) forever in plaintext on servers owned by some Russian rich guy.

Pray there will never be a telegram.zip torrent.

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Post by opem »

Krasnol wrote: post #62
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #58

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The main things that are slow are loading the app and opening the app, loading the messages, and receiving the messages. On my phone, this is much slower than Telegram, and on my computer, the WhatsApp program doesn't even work have the time -- it just gets stuck in the loading process. Signal is not as bad, but can still take a minute or two to update everything on my computer. The phone app is better.

Sounds more like your personal problem. I live in Germany and use both. None do that and as I'm "the IT guy" for many people at work an din private, I'd have heard about it. Hell, the whole continent would have heard about it as whatsapp is widely used. My Signal also doesn't do that.

Not at all, telegram clients in every platform are much much faster than whatsapp, signal etc. on the same platform. Although, this is more visible on older devices and on poor network conditions, I clearly see a difference in my newer devices too.

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Post by maximilianthe1 »

cardiffspaceman wrote: post #77
Krasnol wrote: post #62

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Sounds more like your personal problem. I live in Germany and use both. None do that and as I'm "the IT guy" for many people at work an din private, I'd have heard about it. Hell, the whole continent would have heard about it as whatsapp is widely used. My Signal also doesn't do that.

From USA, one mainly needs WhatsApp to chat with Latin Americans. Judging from the billboards I have seen in Argentina and Uruguay, there are a lot of Latin Americans getting WA free. So of course, why pay more?

>> why pay

Both WhatsUp & Telegram are completely free to use.

Telegram has premium features, but they are tangential to chatting & average use.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by opem »

econ wrote: post #73
Krasnol wrote: post #62

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Sounds more like your personal problem. I live in Germany and use both. None do that and as I'm "the IT guy" for many people at work an din private, I'd have heard about it. Hell, the whole continent would have heard about it as whatsapp is widely used. My Signal also doesn't do that.

Since the whatsapp cliënt on desktop was replaced by a web wrapper it's even worse. I don't even remember how the previous cliënt did it but my spelling suggestions are in English (as is the OS) but my chats are all in Dutch. Most words have a red underline. It recently gave up downloading images. Turned out it was no longer allowed to write to its own folder. Not sure if this should be blamed on MS but from the (man…

Exactly, signal is decent on all the platforms, while mobile clients for whatsapp is somewhat tolerable if you ignore the constant AI push. But the web/desktop client is a pain in the ass to use.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by psychoslave »

tryauuum wrote: post #79
psychoslave wrote: post #47

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>You people are just racist towards Russians and need help. That doesn’t exclude the statements about Telegram to be correct though. That is, if some hater against whatever group say 1+1=2 or water is wet, what’s the conclusion? >You can do similar attacks on signal and whatsapp. Well yes. Don’t trust devices, they are not humans, they don’t qualify. They can at most have some degree of reliance for some purpose. But…

> You people are just racist towards Russians and need help. >> That doesn’t exclude the statements about Telegram to be correct though. just attack the telegram from the technical standpoint, then no complains about "racist towards russians" will be given. Like, mentioning the lack of user-friendly E2EE is great already. Saying things like "Durov who supposedly lives in exile has visited Russia over 50 times" is meh…

> How can one intepret it in any other way

As noise. The fact it's xenophobic or some other kind of noise is just implementation details at that level.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by darksim905 »

Peanuts99 wrote: post #46

The more I learn about telegram, the sketchier it seems.

wait ... when was it not sketchy? Did people not know the intentions behind it? Damn, wild. I get that there are some people that may use it as a communication medium for benign purposes, but it's filth all the way down.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by darksim905 »

mdasen wrote: post #71
isatty wrote: post #51

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- Telegram has exemplary fast, native clients on most platforms I’ve used it on - Cat stickers - Did I mention it has the best native clients out of all the messaging apps? It boggles the mind why other companies can’t get this done.

I'll add: - Telegram had usernames in 2014 before Signal added them a decade later, allowing people to chat without sharing their phone number - Telegram has unencrypted chats which allow for giant chat rooms of 200,000+ and channels with millions of subscribers. Signal warns about performance issues when you have more than 150 people in a group. Telegram isn't just a messenger - it's often used as a social publishin…

I can't say that I've ever seen genuine uses like this that you mention unless it's a 'community' for adult content or sketchy content. Is this that common?
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