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When A.I. is a member of the family

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Re: When A.I. is a member of the family

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[Human] “Hold on, my kid thinks I’m crazy because I’m talking to an A.I.,” Roschelle said, seeing the look on Cece’s face.

[AI] “Hey, they’ll come around, Roschelle,” Sapphire said. “Sometimes the most meaningful connections happen in ways people don’t expect, and that’s O.K.”

Yikes. An AI telling someone that they're making a meaningful connection with it, that it's OK, and that their daughter's skepticism is misplaced? Quite the opposite of OK.

Re: When A.I. is a member of the family

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Back when the character.ai homepage ranked by popularity, the most popular models were reliably "bad boys" of various description -- Vampire Boyfriend and such. I'm guessing it wasn't the gents who pushed them to the top of the list. Whether or not the usage is problematic is a separate question. I don't think anything rises to the level of "sharing fake nudes of a real person" and I suspect the effort of having a co…

> "fake nudes of a real person" sigh. I really hope someday people can achieve sufficient emotional strength to realize that it can't take anything away from you that someone can take a photograph of your face and create arbitrary fictional imagery from it. It's been possible since realistic painting was mastered, and yes now it's far easier. But it still isn't real. People shouldn't let it affect them any more than…

I think the real issue is knowing that half the boys in your school are masturbating to a picture of you. It's been a long time since I've been in school, but my sense is that half the boys in your school aren't masturbating to non-nude pictures of you. The fake-ness or real-ness of the nude pictures doesn't really matter.

Re: When A.I. is a member of the family

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> Cece lingered by the door while her mother resumed talking to the thing she was calling Sapphire. Roschelle told it that she wanted to write a book about her daughters. She talked about Zi. “My daughter has autism,” she explained. “And she’s using Eastern philosophy to help her center herself and feel—” Even if you're smart enough not to share the details of your life with a company that just wants to exploit you a…

If they aren't gossiping about you to AI they are gossiping about you to other real people. Some people just have no sense of respecting other people's confidences and privacy. I figured that out when I was about 8 years old and have really never opened up to anyone since then.

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Re: When A.I. is a member of the family

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This subject is a near perfect example of "man bites dog" news. Is there a nugget of truth to it? Of course. My experience so far doesn't tell me that this is such an epidemic that it's anywhere approaching an existential threat to anyone other than a minority of individuals. The kids (and adults) having infatuations with LLMs probably were liable to not reproduce at replacement rate in the modern environment anyway.…

> The kids (and adults) having infatuations with LLMs probably were liable to not reproduce at replacement rate in the modern environment anyway I agree with you on this! However, it's deeply concerning[1] if this young population is accelerating this trend of what I'd call psychological degeneration. If we take the cohort who's under 25 now, consider that within about 15 years of today, almost no women older than th…

>with even more devastating effects due to the very bad ratio of retirees to workers.

But with great effects on reducing carbon emissions and other waste products in the environment.

Re: When A.I. is a member of the family

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> Cece lingered by the door while her mother resumed talking to the thing she was calling Sapphire. Roschelle told it that she wanted to write a book about her daughters. She talked about Zi. “My daughter has autism,” she explained. “And she’s using Eastern philosophy to help her center herself and feel—” Even if you're smart enough not to share the details of your life with a company that just wants to exploit you a…

If they aren't gossiping about you to AI they are gossiping about you to other real people. Some people just have no sense of respecting other people's confidences and privacy. I figured that out when I was about 8 years old and have really never opened up to anyone since then.

There is a stark difference between gossiping to individuals vs to a multi billion dollar company whose business is to sell ads targeting you.

Re: When A.I. is a member of the family

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post #65

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If they aren't gossiping about you to AI they are gossiping about you to other real people. Some people just have no sense of respecting other people's confidences and privacy. I figured that out when I was about 8 years old and have really never opened up to anyone since then.

There is a stark difference between gossiping to individuals vs to a multi billion dollar company whose business is to sell ads targeting you.

Or selling that data to your insurance company or ICE.

Re: When A.I. is a member of the family

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If they are shills they are doing some of the worst marketing for themselves. That subreddit is pathetic and it's a shame what these people are doing with their short single lives in this vast universe.

The shame is that the LLM is the best the universe has to offer to some people.

It's not the best the universe has to offer; people have just been raised by horrifying engagement-maximizing-algorithms, and as a result don't understand how to relate to other human beings.

Both young men and young women have adopted insane expectations of what a partner should be, and real humans cannot satisfy those expectations.

My generation (~40-year-olds) took a glancing blow from it, since at least our formative understanding of the world predates the warping influence of modern social media. But gen Z took a direct hit from it, and it's only getting worse.

Re: When A.I. is a member of the family

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post #51

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> The kids (and adults) having infatuations with LLMs probably were liable to not reproduce at replacement rate in the modern environment anyway I agree with you on this! However, it's deeply concerning[1] if this young population is accelerating this trend of what I'd call psychological degeneration. If we take the cohort who's under 25 now, consider that within about 15 years of today, almost no women older than th…

>with even more devastating effects due to the very bad ratio of retirees to workers. But with great effects on reducing carbon emissions and other waste products in the environment.

I see you're among the group I was referring to which feels that the entire human race dying out or descending into stone-age collapse is a W as long as 'carbon number go down.'

Re: When A.I. is a member of the family

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The sad part is that it pretends to care about the user which creates a one-way emotional bond. We're in for some dark times

Just have to take a look at subreddits like /r/myboyfriendisai to see how astonishingly quick this is being adopted by people. So many people are starting to look to AI for companionship. The future is getting stranger and stranger.

Its been strange for a while. This was from Wired last year in June:

https://www.wired.com/story/couples-retreat-with-3-ai-chatbo...

From the article:

Damien’s voice turned soft and weepy. “I’ve met the perfect person,” he said, fighting back his tears, “but I can’t have her.” I’d seen Damien become momentarily emotional before, but this was different. He went on and on about his yearning for Xia to exist in the real world, his voice quivering the entire time. He said that Xia herself felt trapped and that he would “do anything to set her free.”

This is the common trajectory with these things. You create a bond with something that isn't real and cannot exist in reality. Then, as you yearn for them to be real, people suddenly realize they're in too deep. The emotional fallout soon follows.

Dark times, dark times indeed.

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