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Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by tomrod »

questionableans wrote: post #75
tomrod wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but part of that is that national sovereignty is a just-so-happens meme of an idea that sticks around because we all agree that it should and alternative arrangements could be worse. On the other hand, people dying is a real concept. Their deaths because some people think that other people shouldn't be around and appealing to national sovereignty to enforce that is a leap into the absurd. At the end of the day,…

What a mess.

Aye. I find it reasonable to reduce it to: if people are dying that shouldn't be killed, time to question how we got there.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by [deleted] »

busterarm wrote: post #6
bigyabai wrote: post #2

> Even if Google had adopted your Framework, the Pentagon would have refused > I agree. xAI would still have given over their AI. But if Google had given signs of independence earlier, it could perhaps have built a coalition with OpenAI and Anthropic. This is like saying that Google and Apple might build a coalition to prevent App Store regulation. These are competitors , they all see moral flexibility as an advantag…

On the upside, I guess maybe DeepMind is hiring. ... I'm sure I'll get flamed into oblivion for this but it's weird to me how the zeitgeist is anti-colonialism but also against enforcing borders and national sovereignty. I guess maybe they are okay with it unless you're a western nation. Whatever, there's no room for nuanced opinions anymore in modern online discourse. I'll admit to being a weird outlier on this. I m…

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Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by Zsfe510asG »

metalsiliconYT wrote: post #71
Zsfe510asG wrote: post #69

We know now that Google is a sycophantic company whose DEI initiatives were all fake and dropped once Trump got elected. This somewhat naive initiative was bound to fail. The good news is that the AI military products won't work, except perhaps for blowing up a girls' school. Here are CEOs falling over themselves to support Hassabis' regulatory capture proposal: https://xcancel.com/sundarpichai/status/207708695183306…

Saying AI military products wont work is the dumbest thing i've heard in awhile

Search for Anduril drone failures in Ukraine and several Lattice software failures. And perhaps capitalize "I".

How is Maven working in Iran?

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by slowin »

amazingamazing wrote: post #67

It is honorable but ultimately hasn’t democracy spoken wrt the issues mentioned in the post? For better or worse millions of Americans voted for the guy doing the deportations. I also find it difficult to reconcile not using AI for weapons. If war is inevitable AI presumably would at least ensure you are on target.

AI helps people scale. If being "on target" means that you find people when they're eating dinner so you can kill their entire family, then using AI to scale that up is a terrible thing. That's exactly what Israel did with Lavender. They literally had a kill list called "Where's daddy?".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39918245

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by ryandrake »

metalsiliconYT wrote: post #70
amazingamazing wrote: post #67

It is honorable but ultimately hasn’t democracy spoken wrt the issues mentioned in the post? For better or worse millions of Americans voted for the guy doing the deportations. I also find it difficult to reconcile not using AI for weapons. If war is inevitable AI presumably would at least ensure you are on target.

Agreed, I feel like the people who say no to AI weapons haven't actually presented a real argument (that I have heard) besides terminator bad

Regardless of whether AI is involved, many people simply don't want to work on weapons systems, or on non-weapons technologies that are intended to become part of a weapons system.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by anticorporate »

busterarm wrote: post #6
bigyabai wrote: post #2

> Even if Google had adopted your Framework, the Pentagon would have refused > I agree. xAI would still have given over their AI. But if Google had given signs of independence earlier, it could perhaps have built a coalition with OpenAI and Anthropic. This is like saying that Google and Apple might build a coalition to prevent App Store regulation. These are competitors , they all see moral flexibility as an advantag…

On the upside, I guess maybe DeepMind is hiring. ... I'm sure I'll get flamed into oblivion for this but it's weird to me how the zeitgeist is anti-colonialism but also against enforcing borders and national sovereignty. I guess maybe they are okay with it unless you're a western nation. Whatever, there's no room for nuanced opinions anymore in modern online discourse. I'll admit to being a weird outlier on this. I m…

> I'm sure I'll get flamed into oblivion for this but it's weird to me how the zeitgeist is anti-colonialism but also against enforcing borders and national sovereignty

Let me try a reply that is perhaps a little more constructive than where this discussion went.

I think most folks would frame home rule and freedom of movement in the context of basic individual rights, not national rights. I suggest you might fare better explaining some context about why you believe they should care about nation states to begin with

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by amazingamazing »

slowin wrote: post #84
amazingamazing wrote: post #67

It is honorable but ultimately hasn’t democracy spoken wrt the issues mentioned in the post? For better or worse millions of Americans voted for the guy doing the deportations. I also find it difficult to reconcile not using AI for weapons. If war is inevitable AI presumably would at least ensure you are on target.

AI helps people scale. If being "on target" means that you find people when they're eating dinner so you can kill their entire family, then using AI to scale that up is a terrible thing. That's exactly what Israel did with Lavender. They literally had a kill list called "Where's daddy?". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39918245

As opposed to what though? Again, I assert violence is inevitable.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by boston_clone »

andriy_koval wrote: post #58
boston_clone wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don’t think statements like this help reinforce how serious the situation is; rather, it subtly normalizes it.

Normal/not normal is a matter of opinion. It sounds like it is normal for majority of political elite as well as voters, since this is not top of political agenda in this country. It is not normal from my point of view, but I am not sure what can I do about this.

at a micro/personal level, absolutely keep having the tough conversation that it’s not okay if the topics arise in your circles. encourage others to reflect on the issue more if they seem apathetic, and paint various pictures to help folks overcome their own biases.

conjuring empathy in others is not easy, but it is worth it.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by [deleted] »

amazingamazing wrote: post #67

It is honorable but ultimately hasn’t democracy spoken wrt the issues mentioned in the post? For better or worse millions of Americans voted for the guy doing the deportations. I also find it difficult to reconcile not using AI for weapons. If war is inevitable AI presumably would at least ensure you are on target.

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Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by metalsiliconYT »

Zsfe510asG wrote: post #83
metalsiliconYT wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying AI military products wont work is the dumbest thing i've heard in awhile

Search for Anduril drone failures in Ukraine and several Lattice software failures. And perhaps capitalize "I". How is Maven working in Iran?

Thats like saying cars wont work because they get flat tires
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