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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by tamimio »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #107
tamimio wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CIWS might be effective against fixed wing since they fly mostly in straight lines, it won’t work effectively against multirotors that can quickly change direction and maneuver around, now add swarm of them, and it will overwhelm CIWS. That of course, assuming it was detected which is a whole process by itself.

You’re talking about dodging bullets or shrapnel here. Source on that a multi rotor has that level of manoeuvrability while also carrying a lethal payload and enough battery for a viable engagement range?

I can’t quantify the “viable engagement range” you had, but in our tests we had around 50min endurance, around 35lb payload, and 14in body but with larger props. Now larger props do impact prop acceleration to a degree, so it’s not “racing” level maneuverability, but good enough to dodge shotgun shots, and again, this is all with the presumption that you know where it is and from where it’s coming and heading.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by dredmorbius »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #161
orthoxerox wrote: post #22

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

Microdrones [and butterfly nets] https://m.xkcd.com/1523/

Net-covered highways, at scale, are already A Thing:

"Ukraine to cover 4,000 km of roads with anti-drone nets by year-end, minister says" (Feb 2026) https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-c...>

Anti-drone nets are the new anti-submarine nets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-submarine_net>

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by drysine »

kakacik wrote: post #17
sleepyguy wrote: post #10

If anyone here is into drones, manufactures, ideas, or wants to either use their drone piloting skills or learn how to pilot drones. Ukraine is recruiting for positions. https://usforces.army/en

Just beware that being part of the drone team isnt some comfy safe job far from danger, they are the most hated type of unit currently since they are deciding large part of this war (and any future war it seems). I see videos of ie glide bombs used by both sides targetting specifically positions of drone teams. If all this is clear and you go ahead, all the power to ya, fighting evil in this world is highly commendab…

>fighting evil in this world is highly commendable

So that would mean fighting against Ukrainian regime.

Watch the thousands of videos where men are grabbed on the streets of Ukrainian cities to be thrown into meatgrinder after two weeks of training[0]. Hearing the terror and desperation in their screams "People, help me, I want to live" is heartbreaking.

[0] https://busification.org/en

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by drysine »

ponector wrote: post #117
throwawaytea wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Ukrainian executed 100k Polish civilians not too long ago, but I'm sure now they are angels.

Polish estimates are closer to 20k, btw. And Polish forces executed thousands of Ukrainians as well during the same events. Also don't forget russians executed 22k Polish prisoners of war in 1940 and lied about it for decades. Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians who are holding back russians? Russians who are casually invade neighbors once in a while and comm…

>Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians

Germans condemn what they did, the Ukrainians are making Pantheon[0][1] of their war criminals who committed genocide[2].

[0] https://kyivindependent.com/pantheon-of-ukrainian-heroes-to-...

[1] https://tvpworld.com/94337029/polands-divided-right-puts-ukr...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by drysine »

rwyinuse wrote: post #80
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fighting evil in this world is highly commendable Except more often than not it is fighting not evil but sleeping civilians who don't support this war, which is not even war in the strict sense of the word, but a deliberate meatgrinder set up to devour as much human beings on both sides as its orchestrators can get away with, for as long as possible.

If Russian civilians stopped sleeping and took up arms against their government, then maybe this war could end. The people responsible are all members of the Russian government, and Russian people's apathy (or in many cases support for the war) enables them.

The more and more would demand quite the opposite from Kremlin - to escalate already.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by drysine »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #58
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fighting evil in this world is highly commendable Except more often than not it is fighting not evil but sleeping civilians who don't support this war, which is not even war in the strict sense of the word, but a deliberate meatgrinder set up to devour as much human beings on both sides as its orchestrators can get away with, for as long as possible.

Only the russians are targeting civilians.

You are misinformed.

Here is one of the top Ukrainian propagandists posting in his personal channel a video from Belgorod (Russia) that shows wounded Russian women screaming and thrashing in agony (the text reads "Happy New Year, bitches") after Ukrainian MLRS strike at the city: https://t.me/dmytrogordon_official/39688

Here is the Ukraine targeting the same high-rise apartment building in Kazan with multiple drones: https://t.me/readovkanews/91042

Here is the Ukraine blowing a bridge in Russia exactly when a passenger train was passing under it leading to deaths of civilians including children: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/deaths-as-russ...

Here is Ukrainian regime striking a college with multiple drones and killing 21 students: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Starobilsk_strike#Casualt...

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

drysine wrote: post #216
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only the russians are targeting civilians.

You are misinformed. Here is one of the top Ukrainian propagandists posting in his personal channel a video from Belgorod (Russia) that shows wounded Russian women screaming and thrashing in agony (the text reads "Happy New Year, bitches") after Ukrainian MLRS strike at the city: https://t.me/dmytrogordon_official/39688 Here is the Ukraine targeting the same high-rise apartment building in Kazan with multiple drones:…

You are a russian propagandist.

We’ve seen you here before, and we’ve called out your bullshit before.

Go to the front Ivan. Put seeds in your pockets.

Anyone can look at your comment history and see that you are here to antagonise, and to spread disinformation in service of the russian regime and its leading war criminal.

This forum is meant to be for substantive discussion primarily about the intersection of technology and things that people in STEM would be intellectually curious about.

This forum is not for spreading lies as you have been doing for so long.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by drysine »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #217
drysine wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are misinformed. Here is one of the top Ukrainian propagandists posting in his personal channel a video from Belgorod (Russia) that shows wounded Russian women screaming and thrashing in agony (the text reads "Happy New Year, bitches") after Ukrainian MLRS strike at the city: https://t.me/dmytrogordon_official/39688 Here is the Ukraine targeting the same high-rise apartment building in Kazan with multiple drones:…

You are a russian propagandist. We’ve seen you here before, and we’ve called out your bullshit before. Go to the front Ivan. Put seeds in your pockets. Anyone can look at your comment history and see that you are here to antagonise, and to spread disinformation in service of the russian regime and its leading war criminal. This forum is meant to be for substantive discussion primarily about the intersection of techno…

I see that you don't like my comment.

I'm sure you'll find an excuse for Ukrainian nationalists in each case I linked to - that's fine, it fits your beliefs about current Ukrainian regime.

But then will you be able to find any case where Ukrainian civilians died that couldn't be excused in exactly the same way?

Can you be consistent in your judgement?

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

drysine wrote: post #218
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a russian propagandist. We’ve seen you here before, and we’ve called out your bullshit before. Go to the front Ivan. Put seeds in your pockets. Anyone can look at your comment history and see that you are here to antagonise, and to spread disinformation in service of the russian regime and its leading war criminal. This forum is meant to be for substantive discussion primarily about the intersection of techno…

I see that you don't like my comment. I'm sure you'll find an excuse for Ukrainian nationalists in each case I linked to - that's fine, it fits your beliefs about current Ukrainian regime. But then will you be able to find any case where Ukrainian civilians died that couldn't be excused in exactly the same way? Can you be consistent in your judgement?

Your terrorists have been launching missiles and drones at me and my neighbours for years.

I see it with my own eyes.

Your attacks on the people I care about dearly are routine. Every fucking day, you scum try and kill us.

Seeds in your pocket. Go to the front.

I’ll tell you what. Give me your address and I’ll send you a postcard from the Ukrainian city of Odesa, where the Ukrainian flag flies proudly on every street, and where your terrorists will never reach. Because Odesa is Ukraine forever. Kherson is Ukraine. Kharkiv is Ukraine. Kyiv is Ukraine. Donbas is Ukraine. Crimea is Ukraine.

Go to the front.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by drysine »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #219
drysine wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see that you don't like my comment. I'm sure you'll find an excuse for Ukrainian nationalists in each case I linked to - that's fine, it fits your beliefs about current Ukrainian regime. But then will you be able to find any case where Ukrainian civilians died that couldn't be excused in exactly the same way? Can you be consistent in your judgement?

Your terrorists have been launching missiles and drones at me and my neighbours for years. I see it with my own eyes. Your attacks on the people I care about dearly are routine. Every fucking day, you scum try and kill us. Seeds in your pocket. Go to the front. I’ll tell you what. Give me your address and I’ll send you a postcard from the Ukrainian city of Odesa, where the Ukrainian flag flies proudly on every street…

>the Ukrainian city of Odesa

It's Odessa, the city founded by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great in 1794 on the land taken by the Russian Army from the Ottoman Empire.[0]

The only thing Odessa is known for under the Ukrainian rule is burning 42 pro-Russian Ukrainian citizens[1] by Ukrainian nationalists. After that a Ukrainian president, billionaire Poroshenko, praised the city for being truly banderite[2] city. Yes, that is considered a praise by the Kiev regime.

"The European Court of Human Rights Court held, unanimously, that there had been: violations of Article 2 (right to life/investigation) of the European Convention on Human Rights, on account of the relevant authorities’ failure to do everything that could reasonably be expected of them to prevent the violence in Odesa on 2 May 2014, to stop that violence after its outbreak, to ensure timely rescue measures for people trapped in the fire, and to institute and conduct an effective investigation into the events" [3]

>Because Odesa is Ukraine forever.

It's not for a Polish expat to decide. The Kiev regime is not hunting you when you walk the streets of Odessa.[4] They won't grab you and send to the frontline. When men are desperately calling bystanders for help, you walk by, look away and keep supporting the regime that does that.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Jassy

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes#Casualties

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banderite

[3] https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/app/conversion/pdf/?library=ECHR&...

[4] https://busification.org/en/city/odesa

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