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US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by macintux »

garciansmith wrote: post #24
yearolinuxdsktp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that the gallup poll is flawed because it does not explain what daylight saving versus standard time is. I just spoke to an educated grad student, who thought that we were in standard time right now. Because the sun is out later during daylight saving time, the name is somewhat counter-intuitive. Also, because it’s on for most of the year, DST feels “standard.”

I've definitely talked to people that though daylight savings time is the time used in the winter, since that's when there are the fewest daylight hours and you need to "save" them or something.

Given how many times in my life I've internally groaned at yet another corporate email or website that references "EST" during the summer, I'm convinced no one is paying attention.

And that, if we do actually implement year-round daylight saving time, everyone will still call it EST.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by WarmWash »

Permanent standard time means less sunlight time after work.

Permanent DST means kids walking to school in the dark.

Changing the clock twice a year fixes that and lets us avoid both, with the only cost being people complaining for a day afterwards. It's like ripping off the bandaid, instead of doing a slow agonizing pull that lasts months.

And yes, I know some people take like 6 weeks to adjust and they will complain incessantly to stop it, but for the whole group, the least painful thing (I'd argue by far) is just moving the clock an hour.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by Izkata »

garciansmith wrote: post #24
yearolinuxdsktp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that the gallup poll is flawed because it does not explain what daylight saving versus standard time is. I just spoke to an educated grad student, who thought that we were in standard time right now. Because the sun is out later during daylight saving time, the name is somewhat counter-intuitive. Also, because it’s on for most of the year, DST feels “standard.”

I've definitely talked to people that though daylight savings time is the time used in the winter, since that's when there are the fewest daylight hours and you need to "save" them or something.

I've heard both the "saving" has something to do with farming in the summer and candles in the winter, so either one could be daylight savings time. So I haven't been able to keep them straight and use "summer time" and "winter time" instead.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by hammock »

WarmWash wrote: post #33

Permanent standard time means less sunlight time after work. Permanent DST means kids walking to school in the dark. Changing the clock twice a year fixes that and lets us avoid both, with the only cost being people complaining for a day afterwards. It's like ripping off the bandaid, instead of doing a slow agonizing pull that lasts months. And yes, I know some people take like 6 weeks to adjust and they will complai…

I agree permanent standard time is a better solution. But maybe we change work to 8-4 from 9-5 and might be better that way anyway.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

damnesian wrote: post #3

Studies have been conducted about the safety of sticking to one time. The ones who are the most vulnerable are kids waiting for buses in the dark. We can't move to dynamic school times because we are still working the same paradigm as the industrial revolution- same schedule every day, year in year out. And society is simply too divided and fractured, and the motives too hidden and craven, to decide to move en masse…

Every division of society should just use its own schedule, then the number of divisions doesn't matter.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by ghaff »

damnesian wrote: post #3

Studies have been conducted about the safety of sticking to one time. The ones who are the most vulnerable are kids waiting for buses in the dark. We can't move to dynamic school times because we are still working the same paradigm as the industrial revolution- same schedule every day, year in year out. And society is simply too divided and fractured, and the motives too hidden and craven, to decide to move en masse…

To the degree kids are standing around outside, they're already in the dark in northern US states (to say nothing about Canada and areas of Europe) for part of the year even with standard time.

And, yes, dynamic school schedules don't work because they need to be synced at some level with work schedules. A one-time shift might work though.

I mostly don't have a dog in this hunt. I pretty much set my own schedule absent the odd morning appointment.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by Brybry »

7777777phil wrote: post #13

Wasn’t this already tried at least once and then reverted some 2 years later?

Yeah but now everyone has cell phones and LED street lights that sometimes feel brighter than the sun.

It's worth trying again, it's not like it can't be reverted again.

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