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Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?

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Post by danso »

I don't know about just the past 6 months, but past 10-20 years, sure? I think software today has to handle much more varied and complicated I/O at a much bigger scale than it did in the past. Website UI/UX has to accommodate not only numerous browsers, but numerous devices with different viewing spaces. Think of how much broke when Python was rejiggered to not implicitly typecast unicode data. Think about all the legacy databases that can't handle spaces or various non-alphanumeric characters.

The userbase for software in the early 2000 was built for a much, much smaller audience than it is today. And I'm not sure the huge improvements in testing/debugging and general software development would totally mitigate that, in the same way modern military defense systems is still way behind modern offensive weaponry.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?

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Post by plqbfbv »

I guess things keep getting more features and complexity but all of it is 80% done because it's "shippable" and updates are cheap.

This is most visibile for me on Windows/MacOS and complex web apps (e.g. GitHub and GitLab, including consoles of hyperscalers), where 80% of "normal" things work, then you need the last 20% and it's always not working as documented, only half-working, or just outright broken, and you need to find "temporary" workarounds that stay in place for years.

I feel this is being amplified by AI: tests come last (if at all) and are still written by LLMs, nobody really looks at them anymore, green pipeline checkmarks mean less than they did in the past.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?

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Post by fsflover »

It seems you are talking about the enshittification, which only affects megacorp-baked propriprietary software and services. It does not affect, e.g, GNU/Linux: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41277484 and https://pluralistic.net/2025/02/26/ursula-franklin/

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?

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Post by gandreani »

I feel it in two ways.

I've been using windows for the past 5 years or so. I was using Linux before that. I used to complain about things breaking in Linux but the situation in Windows is way worse than it ever was in Linux. A couple of days ago my co-worker turned on his computer and windows has locked him out somehow. He had to disable secure boot, recover his bitlocker passphrase from his microsoft account, and only then could he get past the boot screen. The theory is that his laptop turned off while updating. I'm thinking, why doesn't the update abort when it realizes it's not plugged in or on low battery. He said it had never happened to him before and I have also never seen it.

The other side I notice is with google products. Barring android, GCP, and the less than yearly occassional outage, I would never see a bug in google products. Now I notice them often in drive, sheets, gmail, and specially meet. The other day I joined a meeting and all participants couldn't log in. NEVER have I seen such a bad production bug from google.

Profits over wonderful products I guess

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?

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Post by jeffreportmill1 »

My running joke for the last couple years is "Nobody knows how to write software anymore" (even about a bug in my code). The problem is almost certainly complexity. Apps are like a house of cards, and we keep adding to the stack with new features, external dependencies, etc. My apps 30 years ago used one language, one library, one process, one thread and shipped on one platform. Now it uses Java, JavaScript, CSS, HTML, SQL and has a dozen linked libraries, talks to a couple servers, has dozens of threads, and runs on desktop, browser, tablet, phone and car console. It's a wonder anything works at all.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?

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Post by PaulHoule »

Also there is trouble with back end IT systems. Like I had some trouble with my homeowner's insurance which was initially my fault [1] but my insurance agent was gracious and helped resolve it and my wife paid her right in her office. Then they do some software update and in the process cancel my policy and I get a letter from my lawyer [2] wanting to collect $82.54

[1] although if I was trying to design a spell to make people not pay their bill I might try sending them 20 letters that say THIS IS NOT A BILL before they get the bill

[2] who is also their lawyer

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?

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Post by PaulHoule »

gandreani wrote: post #44

I feel it in two ways. I've been using windows for the past 5 years or so. I was using Linux before that. I used to complain about things breaking in Linux but the situation in Windows is way worse than it ever was in Linux. A couple of days ago my co-worker turned on his computer and windows has locked him out somehow. He had to disable secure boot, recover his bitlocker passphrase from his microsoft account, and on…

My two Win 11 machines have been pretty solid for a while, but my Ubuntu Linux machine has had a lot of trouble with software updates.

When I built the machine about 12 years ago [1] it allocated a /boot partition that was big enough then but not big enough but as Ubuntu grew the /boot was too small to keep as many versions as Ubuntu wanted so kernel upgrades needed manual intervention. And for that machine it is a hassle because it runs headless and if it doesn't come up with the Ethernet working I have to pull it out of it's home and set up a workstation.

More recently I rebuilt / completely (kept the ZFS array) and this time Ubuntu didn't make a /boot so the files live on / but now when it does software updates it often fails to install the realtek driver modules so it comes up without the Ethernet and I have to take it upstairs to rebuild it. Copilot offered me a script to tell if the modules are busted after a kernel upgrade so I can do the the manual fix before the reboot now.

I guess I can't complain too much, I mean this $150 machine that I upgraded with 32GB of RAM and a NVIDIA GPU is going strong, though now that I think about it the second ZFS array I built for it is past warranty even if it only half full.

[1] I know because I named it after my favorite vixen from a video game I was playing back then

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?

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Post by cassianoleal »

trio8453 wrote: post #6

We've always had bugs. Good chance that it's largely confirmation bias - you're familiar with how software development has changed in the past 6 months, and especially if you don't like it, any time you see a bug or a problem, you'll attribute it to that.

I've had quite a few non-tech friends ask me similar questions to OP.
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