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Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Post by nyeah »

therobots927 wrote: post #78
nyeah wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I ask for more info? Is it the perfect word for how some people feel about the tech industry? The perfect word to describe disagreement?

I think when you couple extreme wealth inequality with extreme mis-allocation of capital (aka societal energy) with no buy in from the population, you (the Stanford educated elite - not you specifically) run the risk of getting your fucking head chopped off.

Sure, of course. I'm trying to draw a distinction between disagreement and hate. I'm not trying to eliminate either one.

Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Post by nekusar »

deepvibrations wrote: post #82
nekusar wrote: post #41

Because its... 1. All about lock in. Trap customers and their data. 2. No purchases, only rentals. You never own anything. 3. Agreements are worth nothing. Today's feature is tomorrows premium feature. 4. Gamification adds an extra edge of badness on the hopes that you'll get what you want. 5. "Updates" rarely help, but almost always harm, in the name of "security" 6. Mergers and acquisitions means nothing is ever sa…

So could it be Capitalism? Linear growth is a failure; only infinite, exponential growth is acceptable.

Yes, yes it is.

Or rather, every economist reads the first 20 pages of Smith's Wealth Of Nations, and basically skips everything afterwards.

Like... This gem: "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."

Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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chrisweekly wrote: post #83
nyeah wrote: post #29

Yeah. "Hate": https://www.kapwing.com/blog/why-does-the-public-hate-the-te... Re the linked piece, I'm concerned about people saying "they hate us" when they really mean "they disagree with us" or "they seem skeptical of what we say." It can easily become click bait. The language changes, sure ... but equating disagreement with the emotion of hatred? Maybe that language change is a bad idea? Just spitballing here.

I'm with you in spirit wrt lowering the temp and avoiding clickbait. I want the internet and the world to be a better place with more peace and loving kindness, creativity and connection. But in this case -- describing the general public's feelings towards the ultra-rich, IMHO "disagree" and "skeptical" are just too watered-down; they don't convey all the legitimate feelings of resentment, fear, distaste, distrust, i…

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Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Post by nyeah »

chrisweekly wrote: post #83
nyeah wrote: post #29

Yeah. "Hate": https://www.kapwing.com/blog/why-does-the-public-hate-the-te... Re the linked piece, I'm concerned about people saying "they hate us" when they really mean "they disagree with us" or "they seem skeptical of what we say." It can easily become click bait. The language changes, sure ... but equating disagreement with the emotion of hatred? Maybe that language change is a bad idea? Just spitballing here.

I'm with you in spirit wrt lowering the temp and avoiding clickbait. I want the internet and the world to be a better place with more peace and loving kindness, creativity and connection. But in this case -- describing the general public's feelings towards the ultra-rich, IMHO "disagree" and "skeptical" are just too watered-down; they don't convey all the legitimate feelings of resentment, fear, distaste, distrust, i…

Sure. If it really is hate, then that's the right word.

Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Post by [deleted] »

Cyclone_ wrote: post #61

I think this article overestimates how much the average person knows about tech. People know who Musk, Bezos, and Gates are, but hardly anyone outside of tech knows who Collison is. Most don't know much about VC funding either, but they certainly can see when products have become too smart to the point where they get needlessly complicated.

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Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Post by palmotea »

> And it goes on, and on, and on. Modern “tech companies” haven’t come up with any aspect of life they haven’t tried to “disrupt,” for the purposes of addicting you and then enshitifying the service by shoving ads in front of your eyes. Woohoo, the future!

Also:

1. Tech is full or arrogant assholes who thing they know better than everyone. That leads to things like ham-handed attempts at gaslighting. It's especially grating when it's coming from some 25 year old kid.

2. The whole "making the world better" facade has fallen away. It's pretty clear a lot of them are selfish, greedy fucks. See: jamming AI and everyone's face and all the variations of "stop hiring humans."

Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Post by simianwords »

therobots927 wrote: post #72
simianwords wrote: post #31

Hating the tech industry is mainly seen amongst the first world countries and the rich educate, high status people amongst them. I posit that the reasons are - the need for conservatism and slowing down progress is inherent in people. Last time it was opposing LGBTQ and racial discrimination and now it is technology. Its the same mode of opposition, people just don't like chaotic progress. - people who have good jobs…

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Why does it have to exclusively hurt upper middle class? I’m not sure why you added that constraint.

Edit: I do enjoy Noah Smith and neoliberalism. Good on you for getting it right.

Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Post by netsharc »

mrweasel wrote: post #38

I can't actually think of a single piece of tech made in the past ten years that has improved my life, at least not without large downsides. There's some embedded stuff, like lane assist or adaptive cruise control in my car, that I like, but the package as a whole... not really much of an improvement. It's not really bad as such that the tech industry want to attempt to make a smart home, or add software to a product…

> lane assist or adaptive cruise control in my car

The hilarious thing is that the EU decided that the assisting must be mandatory, and so now every time you turn on your 2024 or newer car, lane assist and "you're speeding!" warnings are turned on.

At least there's still a way to turn them off/getting in the car means sit down, seat belt, mirrors, turn on the engine, go to settings and switch off the nanny modes...

Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Post by thefz »

mrweasel wrote: post #38

I can't actually think of a single piece of tech made in the past ten years that has improved my life, at least not without large downsides. There's some embedded stuff, like lane assist or adaptive cruise control in my car, that I like, but the package as a whole... not really much of an improvement. It's not really bad as such that the tech industry want to attempt to make a smart home, or add software to a product…

All you said plus they think they are above the law.

Re: Why do people hate the tech industry? (2023)

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Post by watwut »

whilenot-dev wrote: post #86
muvlon wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Because their messaging is not addressing the general public, but their investors. And they've realized that their investors are really receptive to panic-baiting (we'll get rid of jobs, ASI is right around the corner, p(doom) = 25% etc).

This doesn't answer GPs question, though: Why is a panic-baiting "we'll get rid of jobs" better than some gain-baiting "we'll make your workforce 10x more productive"? Why is panic a better response to investors than gain? We got: - A : "AI helps in automating tedious tasks" - B : "Your workforce can be more motivated and productive" - C : "You can do more with fewer people" Why not advertise A → B , stop there and l…

It goes back to Warren Buffett quote "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." That is what it is. I thought it was just funny but wrong comment, but lately realized Buffett was 100% right all along.
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