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Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox
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#22Isn't this the opposite of what I want? I don't want people willing to pay getting into my inbox. Those are the people who think they can get more from me somehow. Those are exactly the people I want to not be in my inbox.
I imagine the point is that if you make the price high enough, the ones who don't want it enough will go away, and the ones that do will want it enough that it's worth your while. You can set the price to whatever threshold is high enough that you'd find the money worthwhile.
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#23These services pop up from time to time. All they share a fatal flaw: accepting money for email delivery turns email from a communication medium into a service. And a service carries a different set of obligations - someone paying to send an email to me expects that they are buying my time spent on reading their email and replying promptly. I am never going to sell my time like that.
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#24Isn't this the opposite of what I want? I don't want people willing to pay getting into my inbox. Those are the people who think they can get more from me somehow. Those are exactly the people I want to not be in my inbox.
I imagine the point is that if you make the price high enough, the ones who don't want it enough will go away, and the ones that do will want it enough that it's worth your while. You can set the price to whatever threshold is high enough that you'd find the money worthwhile.
pretty much this. The idea is that putting work / resources behind the sent message translates into more relevant messages getting into the owner's inbox.
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#25This mostly assumes that the only one benefiting from the email exchange in the sender. If that's the case, just close your email account. A few years ago I emailed a local freelancer I'd met in person, because I had a client asking for coding (which was more his bag than mine). I got an automated response that he was using something like this, with a link to some third party service to fill out a form and click a ca…
valid point. I feel for many people the amount of inbound is just not bearable anymore with ai. Yet these people cannot close their account, either. This is basically an idea to increase the inbound friction for exactly these people. do you have a take on how one could upp the relevancy of emails so that people can actually manage their inbound? Or any other open channel that is getting flooded, for that matter?
I haven't received any AI spam. You don't need an LLM to spam people.
Good spam filters should be enough to get rid of spam without annoying people who email you.
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#26Relatedly, a precursor to the Bitcoin proof of work algorithm, Hashcash [0], was created to solve this same problem. This feels like a cool modern iteration of it. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash
Yeah, this gets reinvented every once in a while. I think Balaji’s earn.com was doing this for a while back around 2015/16
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also realised a while ago that most emails are just transactional now (password resets, how well did we do the thing you paid us to do?), so I do similar to you without the sender input and it more or less works. Breaks down like this: - Nobody gets into my inbox unless whitelisted address. Instead of fighting spam and blacklisting, I know my inbox is always from someone I want to hear from. - Every other email goe…
this sounds really similar to how the tool works and processes emails, too. Would you feel this would be more helpful if the tool just silently manages the emails and does not send any replies to the original sender then?
Look, this is HN it's not the typical technical ability or email needs. Just because I wouldn't use this doesn't mean nobody would.
You've made it, try it, maybe people will find enough benefit here to pay you.
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#28Isn't this the opposite of what I want? I don't want people willing to pay getting into my inbox. Those are the people who think they can get more from me somehow. Those are exactly the people I want to not be in my inbox.
I imagine the point is that if you make the price high enough, the ones who don't want it enough will go away, and the ones that do will want it enough that it's worth your while. You can set the price to whatever threshold is high enough that you'd find the money worthwhile.
That ignores the entire set of people who are not contacting you to get something out of you but rather to help you or for any number of social purposes. Those will be priced out much faster than dedicated spammers - most of them by any amount above $0.
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#29What is the cheapest transaction fee crypto coin that is still redeemable for Fiat or other crypto?
I think this concept would work if taken a step further, with a new protocol that requires encryption, but only with a key provided by a block chain that cost some nonzero amount. the email server would drop message payloads whose hash wasn't on the chain, limiting DoS attacks.
When the recipient reads the mail, it starts a process of refunding that micro payment that is a 4h cycle that can be interrupted. So if you click "spam", it blocks the refund and you keep the micro payment. Anyone sending bulk emails would go bankrupt.
Anyone using email for normal purposes would only have to buy once to have enough tokens to send a few emails. Most of the time tokens would only be used inside the system, but they would need some monetary value to do their job, so they could be pegged at say $0.10.
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#30Isn't this the opposite of what I want? I don't want people willing to pay getting into my inbox. Those are the people who think they can get more from me somehow. Those are exactly the people I want to not be in my inbox.
You will get fewer of them because they all must pay a cost for each message sent. Spam works now because it's free.