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"and you're more likely to have a good comment downvoted." This has never made sense to me. On some subreddits that focus on disciplines (like AskHistorians among many others), you can easily get downvoted (ie "dissapeared") just by asking a question, let alone answering one. Other times you'll won't get upvoted nor downvoted when you've actually contributed to the discussion. In these instances I lurk even when I ca…
Reddit's voting system has two issues: (1) Lots of strategic downvoting. That's why no thread stays above 75%. It happens to comments as well as threads. Some of it is spammers trying to improve their own ranking, and some is probably just trolls. (2) "Stalker" downvoting, which is when a person retaliates to a comment by downvoting that person's contributions en masse . I wonder if they've put any machine learning m…
Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
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Re: Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
#92In answer to your non-question question, yes that site exists, there are literally hundreds of them. They get a few users, then they don't get new news, they get a few 'bad' things (people get scolded for being negative, or chastised for being 'off topic' or 'social') and then no one wants to post because they can't really tell what is "acceptable" and what isn't. People stop going there. It fades into obscurity.
My suggestion is that what your looking for isn't a web site its friends. Get together once a week and hang out. You can talk about programming languages, mathematics, science and other oddities. Invite people who stick to the program, shun people who keep wanting to talk about tech products.
Re: Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
#93I'm not near as focused as you are, but I understand your discontent. I have two suggestions.
One, the easy thing (easy as in less work and commitment), which a few others have suggested. Help make HN better, make it what you want. It's probably already closest to what you want, among the alternatives.
Read /newest and upvote good content and good comments. I personally rarely downvote bad comments, I just avert my eyes. I do flag spam, it's like picking up litter. But downvoting is an option, and part of the deal. Just don't "be a downvoter," it will probably make you feel worse, and make reading HN like a burden. Don't carry a cross, just watch the parade. (Worst metaphor you'll read today.)
Write good comments. Respond seriously and helpfully to the occasional lame or hostile comment. Be the change you want to see, and all that.
But mainly, get good at ignoring what you don't like. There's still a lot to like.
Two ... this will take some work and time. You can do it in parallel with HN, or wherever you go from HN. Curate your own discussion group. Look around in your current social, academic and work circle, and talk to a small handful (less than five-ish, more than one), who you think might be interested in discussing what you're interested in. Establish some broad but focused discussion topics.
Set up a mechanism for you all to discuss privately. If you're all local, beer is a great mechanism. Otherwise the easiest and simplest thing would be email, and you should probably stop at that; don't focus on the tools (fun though they are, especially the beer), start discussing as quickly as possible; like, this afternoon. Really, this afternoon. If you like, one of you can maintain a forwarding address, so you don't have to each maintain lists. But you don't need that this afternoon, let that emerge naturally. I've been a member of exactly such a list for ... 15 years? Dayam.
Every once in awhile, invite a new individual in. Do it slowly and deliberately. Don't obsess or agonize over whether someone is right for the group; if you thought of them, they probably are. If they aren't, they'll stop participating. New people will change the dynamics and focus, and that's a good thing. Just do it slowly, not as a focus.
Be generous and engaging with your fellow list members. Accept heat, and let it dissipate quickly. The fewer rules you have, the less they'll be broken.
Over the years, your group might grow to five, or ten, or a hundred, it's up to you.
As you communicate with people you know personally (or online personally), there's a danger that the group might take on some social aspects. You may even become friends with some or all of them. That's a risk that you'll have to take. It's not so bad. :)
Re: Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
on the topic, I dare ask for an invite to lobste.rs if someone has one lying around. I promise I won't be an ass. (Cause a week ago I reached the threshold of wanting to leave a comment enough times)
invite just sent..
edit: thanks polyfractal!
Re: Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's still growing. Development is active, people post plenty of interesting stories. Commenting is slowly increasing. These things take time, and the core group of posters are still posting links on a daily basis which is what a nascent community needs to survive the initial "lull". I'm very hopeful for Lobsters.
I wanted to register, but there is no link. it's some exclusive club?
Re: Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Building more powerful clients for desktop and mobile. Think user tagging, comment filtering, custom sort order, interface improvements.
I really like that HN still has such an old, simple interface. It's one of the reasons I haven't left yet.
Worthwhile communities need to be maintained by barriers. The kind of barrier that I personally enjoy most is, "Crappy enough interface that only people who really like the content will be motivated to show up."
Re: Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
"and you're more likely to have a good comment downvoted." This has never made sense to me. On some subreddits that focus on disciplines (like AskHistorians among many others), you can easily get downvoted (ie "dissapeared") just by asking a question, let alone answering one. Other times you'll won't get upvoted nor downvoted when you've actually contributed to the discussion. In these instances I lurk even when I ca…
Reddit's voting system has two issues: (1) Lots of strategic downvoting. That's why no thread stays above 75%. It happens to comments as well as threads. Some of it is spammers trying to improve their own ranking, and some is probably just trolls. (2) "Stalker" downvoting, which is when a person retaliates to a comment by downvoting that person's contributions en masse . I wonder if they've put any machine learning m…
In theory it may be a good idea, but in practice it's essentially a "CENSOR THIS POST" button that people use to get rid of content they don't agree with.
I've also noticed that negative points on a post completely destroys credibility despite cited evidence or a well thought out argument. I've seen identical comments on similar posts in the past where the first few voters determined the post's fate in that if the first few voters voted it down, the post would receive flames and even more downvotes, but if it was initially upvoted, more people would upvote it and it would receive well thought out replies.
Probably the most horrifying part of the downvote is that all it takes is 51% of voters to dislike your post to destroy it. For example, all it takes is 51% of viewers on the politics subreddit to turn the the /r/politics frontpage into a pseudo fox news where every single post praises democrats and slanders republicans.
It strikes me as disgusting that some people actually consider reddit to be a good place to have a controversial discussion when it's so pathetically easy to censor opinions that you don't agree with.
Re: Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's still growing. Development is active, people post plenty of interesting stories. Commenting is slowly increasing. These things take time, and the core group of posters are still posting links on a daily basis which is what a nascent community needs to survive the initial "lull". I'm very hopeful for Lobsters.
I wanted to register, but there is no link. it's some exclusive club?
>Invitations
>Not for exclusivity, but rather, invitations will be used as a spam-control mechanism. New users must be invited by a current member and invitations will be unlimited (unless scaling problems temporarily prevent new accounts). If spammers are invited to the site and banned, the user that invited them may also be banned, going up the chain of invitations as needed.
Re: Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
#99http://lobste.rs seems like exactly what you want. It's a good community, give it a try
That site has even less information about itself than HN. Who runs it? What are the rights/licences on content? What is it about?
Re: Ask HN: A place like HN but with more nerdy stuff and less social stuff?
#100Have a look at this: http://functionspace.org/ I think this one may come close to your expectations
How does a landing page tell us anything?