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Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by nottorp »

doctoboggan wrote: post #309

I do not mind when I am coding with Claude and it uses all the typical claudisms. I am much more bothered when I am reading a blog post, email, or other form of prose and I see those same claudisms. I guess they are not annoying since I know I am talking to an LLM and expect the typical responses. When I am reading prose online that I previously would have expected a human to write, it can be quite jarring to realize…

The problem is it adds those claudisms in comments. The generated code may be ok, but I always have to edit the comments to reduce the signal/noise ratio and make them sound like english.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by frumiousirc »

willmarch wrote: post #474
jghn wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately load bearing is one of those things that became a claudism but has been part of my daily lexicon for decades. There are a lot of things I say regularly as part of my own vocal quirkiness that now I have to self censor.

You don’t have to self censor to appease others

True. Though, I self censor to appease myself as I have caught myself picking up claudisms. I was mortified when I realized that I had started to use "land" as a verb related to finishing some bit of work.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by koolba »

PcChip wrote: post #376
jghn wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately load bearing is one of those things that became a claudism but has been part of my daily lexicon for decades. There are a lot of things I say regularly as part of my own vocal quirkiness that now I have to self censor.

I've used it since that simpsons episode "it's a load bearing poster..."

Which is a perfectly cromulent usage of the phrase.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by [deleted] »

rpdillon wrote: post #353
doctoboggan wrote: post #309

I do not mind when I am coding with Claude and it uses all the typical claudisms. I am much more bothered when I am reading a blog post, email, or other form of prose and I see those same claudisms. I guess they are not annoying since I know I am talking to an LLM and expect the typical responses. When I am reading prose online that I previously would have expected a human to write, it can be quite jarring to realize…

I didn't use Claude for a long time, but my coworkers did, so I got infected through a side channel: I ended up reading their vibed docs, noticed "load-bearing", kind of liked it, and started using it in conversation, until I got feedback that I was "talking like Claude", so now I avoid the phrase entirely. The intersection of language and social norms is interesting.

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Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by andawaywego »

tzs wrote: post #564
brettpro wrote: post #547

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This isn't really helping to be nice, though. It's outsourcing the hard part in a way that presents as "nice and helpful" and frames yourself as knowledgeable, skilled, experienced, or trustworthy in a way that doesn't match reality.

Suppose I'm trying to explain how a project works and as part of that I need to explain about an algorithm I found in a book, are people going to object if I say "Here's an explanation from " and quote a few paragraphs? Suppose instead I found that algorithm by describing the task I needed an algorithm for and asking an AI for the most used algorithms for that task. I picked one of its suggestions, read up on it to m…

something akin to degrees of separation from the source, considering people have been complaining about this when it was "here's an explanation from google/wikipedia/stackoverflow" long before llms

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by Foobar8568 »

flipthefrog wrote: post #516
nomel wrote: post #494

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I notice there's a whole tech bro speak it gets into anytime it approaches web related tasks around auth, to the point where it stops using complete sentences, making them ambiguous and borderline nonsense. I have to periodically tell it "Speak professionally and use complete sentences." so I can understand what it's even saying. I've even pasted the output to another session to see if it was me, but Claude can't eve…

I have added a skill to make Opus 4.8 use Opus 4 6 to translate its answers into teadable English, sine it had much higher quality prose. Im seriously considering switching from Claude 20x to Codex because I just cant read more of of Opus or Fable's walls of text

I haven't been impressed by 5.6 SOL extra. Typically I asked to do a summary of our session, and it went to do a summary of the repo. Tried different things and I just gave up.

Opus 4.8 did the same at first and after it blended better the repo knowledge with the session one.

I have both $20 as I am less a power user these days and I can't justify a 100 let alone 200 but each model as its irks.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

For me, claudism is Americanism. Overly friendly despite having a very superficial relationship, careful to be as neutral as possible when giving negative feedback or opinion, superlative on mildly interesting things to make it sound exciting to the point nothing has a scale anymore, and use of jargon you heard your smart friend say to appear you know your stuff (purple DB syndrome).

Overall, I'm used to it, having worked with the US for so long. But as soon as I hear or read it, I get into transactional mode; my human side is completely gone. I assume nothing is personal, and ignore my (usually quite high) empathy signals.

This was sad with other people and I assume one of the reasons extremes are taking off (at least it feels real), but it's sane with robots, so for claude it's fine. And it's also perfect for people interacting with you with claude as an intermediary, since they clearly see it as something that needs to get over with.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by d4rkp4ttern »

I've been looking around for skills that help with improving AI prose, and found these:

(1) Avoid AI Writing - https://github.com/conorbronsdon/avoid-ai-writing

(there is a similar "humanizer" skill that (1) subsumes)

(2) Agent style: https://github.com/yzhao062/agent-style

(3) Journal-adapt (style transfer from your writings): https://github.com/WantongC/journal-adapt-writing-skill

I find it useful to set up dynamic workflow loops with (1) and/or (2) as checkers.

On (3) - I think "style-transfer" that was all the range in image-gen is going to be very useful for prose-generation. Curious if there are LLMs specifically trained for this.

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