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America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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"We set the bar at half of what a typical American household earns. " Yeah, relative income isn't really a good measure. You want to raise the floor for people, not (necessarily) narrow the gap between rich and poor.

Yes you want to raise the floor, but the US is doing a famously bad job at that.

I generally agree that if it was true that the inequality would lead to consistent floor raising it would be fine, but it doesn't.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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That's why they let in massive number of immigrants from poor countries.

We should really be letting in an order of magnitude more if we don't want our economy to drive off a cliff

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Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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>If the U.S. changed some policies – such as increasing the federal minimum wage – 46 million people could earn enough to rise above that fair pay line. You can't just raise minimum wage and expect people to make more money since businesses need to fire everyone who aren't worth the new minimum wage and then those newly unemployed people will depress wages for other jobs since there is more labor on the supply side.

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Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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We should really be letting in an order of magnitude more if we don't want our economy to drive off a cliff

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Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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It very much depends on life situation. For instance, if you are less than 50 and on private health care through your employer than you're very likely going to have better healthcare access than anywhere in Europe and Canada. I am able to see my PCP and dentist within a week if I want. I read a statistic that in Europe and Canada you have to make those kinds of routine appointments months in advance. Also, my father-…

For instance, if you are less than 50 and on private health care through your employer than you're very likely going to have better healthcare access than anywhere in Europe and Canada. Your healthcare insurance being dependent on your employer seems like hell though. They will always have enormous bargaining power over you and I think it also leads to chilling effect, when your health is literally dependent on your…

America has some of if not the best hospitals in the world. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean equal access, but those are facts not ideology.

We can argue if that is fair or not, but if you have a well paying job with good employee provided HC, America is [one of] the best places to be for medical care.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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Wealth inequality itself causes a great number of ills in this country. We should absolutely aim to lower this gap as a goal in itself.

Wealth inequality doesn't cause ills, envy does. Envy should be regarded as a character defect, a sin, not something to be elevated to policy. You're not poorer because someone's richer than you, and indeed policies aimed to reduce wealth inequality will actually make you poorer, that's why average European salaries are much lower than US ones.

The classic reply to this is that inequality reduces the agency of people to make decisions in the society - IOW it causes _power_ inequality.

But the reply to that is that it is orthogonal to the discussion. Power should be distributed in a way that increases efficiency and not just for the virtue of doing so.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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This is yet another article that doesn't understand what wealth is. There is almost no point talking about these numbers, because they mislead more than they inform.

Agreed - it also doesn't understand rights. A right to someone's labor is slavery. It's great to have robust social programs. However, they aren't a right - they are benefits. Changing the definition of rights is a trick to idea smuggle politics.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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It very much depends on life situation. For instance, if you are less than 50 and on private health care through your employer than you're very likely going to have better healthcare access than anywhere in Europe and Canada. I am able to see my PCP and dentist within a week if I want. I read a statistic that in Europe and Canada you have to make those kinds of routine appointments months in advance. Also, my father-…

A lot of people in the UK (with professional jobs) top up their state health provision with private medical insurance provided by their employer. This isn't a bad mix.

There are some companies that give private health care to all it's UK employees. It's the best of both worlds.

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It very much depends on life situation. For instance, if you are less than 50 and on private health care through your employer than you're very likely going to have better healthcare access than anywhere in Europe and Canada. I am able to see my PCP and dentist within a week if I want. I read a statistic that in Europe and Canada you have to make those kinds of routine appointments months in advance. Also, my father-…

For instance, if you are less than 50 and on private health care through your employer than you're very likely going to have better healthcare access than anywhere in Europe and Canada. Your healthcare insurance being dependent on your employer seems like hell though. They will always have enormous bargaining power over you and I think it also leads to chilling effect, when your health is literally dependent on your…

Isn't employer dependent healthcare basically slavery, blackmail or both ?

Re: America pays workers just 27% of what its wealth allows – the worst in the OECD

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That's why they let in massive number of immigrants from poor countries.

We should really be letting in an order of magnitude more if we don't want our economy to drive off a cliff

If you're a politician you can tax $500 from one productive member of society and redistribute $100 to four unproductive and lazy members. You get four votes instead of one. It's called job security.
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