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Re: The kids with phones are alright

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throwfaraway135 wrote: post #198
NoPicklez wrote: post #96

My question to these sorts of articles is, okay so what do we do then? What do we do when we know that social media it not healthy for kids. Its not good for their attention spans or mental health to a much greater degree than other forms of media. Nobody is saying kids shouldn't have phones, but they should be able to use them without being engulfed in social media content that has been shown to have a negative impa…

Kids need freedom to make their own decisions, without that they won't grow to be self realized adults. For this specific issue, the solution is simple and straightforward: shaming. None confronted the pervert in the train, because no one knows what is acceptable today and what is not.

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Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by RealityVoid »

fragmede wrote: post #137
RealityVoid wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is obviously an overstatement. Sure, a phone is convenient, but we managed to function just fine without smartphones. I assure you, it's possible to do all those things without a phone.

Without knowing where GP is posting from, you can't make that claim. We can want and wish it were true, but there exist places where it's no longer possible to do things without a phone because the service requires signing in online, or the form is only available via the website, there is no paper version anymore. Parts of the world are moving on from bits of paper, no matter how much you don't want that to be true.…

OP is from Palo Alto, so, obviously, the closest thing to a hellscape you can possibly get. /s

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by rldjbpin »

goalieca wrote: post #17

Personally, I don’t even think adults with phones are alright.

this. the problem with a lot of "think of the children" argument is that we often rule out the failure in whatever policing is needed for the general public.

the adults of today, albeit the younger ones, were kids growing up with post-IM world. the ones before that could speak with their friends from their homes instead of only meeting in person (due to telephones). we all are products of the environment we were raised in. but despite those learnings, it seems like we are not self-regulating as a society.

charity begins at home, and before bringing children in a conversation, we should think if we all are alright.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by spaqin »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #28
goalieca wrote: post #17

Personally, I don’t even think adults with phones are alright.

Remove the phones and the problem will remain, which is people’s desire to consume detrimental content, or content in detrimental amounts. Before phones/computers/internet, it was garbage on television channels. Propaganda on 24/7 “news” channels, “reality” tv shows, etc.

Oh the power may remain, but at least finally the buses and subways will be free of the constant noise of someone blasting short form content or games who doesn't have headphones. I'll take that.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by jhbadger »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #157
InvisibleUp wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s all of YouTube. There’s some good stuff on there, just not in the “Shorts” tab.

> There’s some good stuff on there, just not in the “Shorts” tab. Why do people get so weird about the shorts tab? There are perfectly good videos in there, they're just tilted weird. You can fit quality content into 3 minutes. And remember Elsagate? That was entirely landscape videos.

Exactly. Drew Talbot's brilliant "Bistro Huddy" (which anyone who has ever worked in a restaurant whether as a server or in the kitchen can relate to) is done as Youtube shorts because that makes sense for comedy sketches. What exactly is wrong with a short vertical video? Just that it reminds people of Tiktok?

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by mcv »

makeitdouble wrote: post #94
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And of course they need a phone when they go out like these girls. Do teens need phones? Sure, they need a phone. Arguably any child old enough to know how to make a phone call needs one. But do they need a miniature computer to scroll through AI slop 10+ hours a day? These aren't the same question. Confusing these two is dangerous.

> make a phone call Kids don't want to call, and parents don't want to receive calls except for critical situations. Only elders and scammers are actually phoning. > AI slop Same deal as what the GP is pointing at: you need to train kids to deal with slop, and not have them face it on their own at once at some arbitrary adult age.

My kids call. Only they tend to call through Discord or Whatsapp instead of just using the actual phone, for some reason. But they call, and they pick up when I call them. They also call their friends for gaming.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by mcv »

testing22321 wrote: post #70
mcv wrote: post #69

Do people want to restrict 16 year olds with phones? That seems like a really bad idea. For 10 year olds it makes sense, but 16 is nearly adult; they need to really learn this responsibility. And of course they need a phone when they go out like these girls. A bit of a weird tangent from what apparently is harassment in a train or something like that? I admit it's hard to follow what is going on.

Do people really want to restrict 16 year olds with alcohol? 16 is nearly adult, they need to learn responsibility

16 used to be the minimum drinking age in Netherland, until they raised it to 18. It wouldn't surprise me if there were still countries where it's 16.

But it's not really a fair comparison, because alcohol has a very direct detrimental effect on brain development. Many things can have a detrimental effect, but alcohol always does. Which is probably why they raised the age to 18.

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Post by roundabout-host »

gherkinnn wrote: post #156
NoPicklez wrote: post #96

My question to these sorts of articles is, okay so what do we do then? What do we do when we know that social media it not healthy for kids. Its not good for their attention spans or mental health to a much greater degree than other forms of media. Nobody is saying kids shouldn't have phones, but they should be able to use them without being engulfed in social media content that has been shown to have a negative impa…

Social media, as we have it today, is not healthy for anybody. It is bad, truly bad, and the companies responsible know it. You can't lace beer with crack and sell it. Not to a 12yo, not to a 50yo. Regulate the proverbial crack, then we see if further regulations are required. Earlier this year (0): > “We will launch during a dynamic political environment where many civil society groups that we would expect to attack…

A concrete example is the annulation of the 2024 Romanian elections. It probably happened because a certain candidate was able to manipulate the TikTok algorithm using (undeclared) paid influencers and spam.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by roundabout-host »

jhbadger wrote: post #195
worble wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you, it's been infuriating reading these social media bans for children, as if when kids suddenly turn 16 or 18 or whatever magical nimber the courts come up with, they are suddenly immune to the psychological tricks from multi million dollar companies hiring the best psychologists with no morals money can buy. Social media needs to be heavily regulated to the point where it's safe for everyone, or banned entir…

For starters, what's "social media"? It's kind of a undefinable phrase. Obviously Facebook and Instagram are agreed to be "social media".But is Youtube social media? How about HN? Or any website with a comment section?

Or WhatsApp? Or Matrix? Or SMS? Or the telephone network? Or email? Or Google Docs?
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