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Sure, but why should regular people pay for the upgrades needed to power data centers? The tech companies can surely afford that easily given their record profits for the past decade?
Because they like shopping on Amazon and watching Netflix?
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Or how about this framing (using your own numbers): for every dollar a datacenter is charged for electricity, regular hard-working Americans get charged $2.
First they gave all the water away for free to big ag, and now they're doing the same with the power.
Not the political hill to die on
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Well, I think some of those hardworking Americans would be happy to pay some of those $2 because otherwise all the SaaS services and other services, platforms, and tools running in datacenters wouldn’t be accessible to them. Or did I read this wrong and somewhere it said only datacenters running inference or training for LLMs?
The thing people are pissed about is giving better rates to datacenters. Compare this to most of Europe (and Texas if I understood correctly) where the detacenters buy their electricity from the same market as everyone else (in Europe the spot market or futures) meaning they effectively pay the same price as everyone else. It’s when they do some back room deal with the local public utility to get 50% off and offload…
This $23B number that gets thrown around is not the increase to the public. The wording in the referenced report is > Based on actual auction clearing prices and quantities and uplift MW, inclusion of existing and forecast data center load growth resulted in a combined total increase in capacity market revenue for the 2025/2026 BRA, the 2026/2027 BRA, and the 2027/2028 BRA of $23,100,955,341. This is the increase in…
Or how about this framing (using your own numbers): for every dollar a datacenter is charged for electricity, regular hard-working Americans get charged $2.
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The thing people are pissed about is giving better rates to datacenters. Compare this to most of Europe (and Texas if I understood correctly) where the detacenters buy their electricity from the same market as everyone else (in Europe the spot market or futures) meaning they effectively pay the same price as everyone else. It’s when they do some back room deal with the local public utility to get 50% off and offload…
I don't think the mechanism is that different, and even if it was Europe, etc would have the same issue - data centers would still bid up the price for existing capacity, and the future capacity added to accommodate the dcs would be added at a higher marginal rate too because scarcity of new supply + base load nature of dc loads. So the problem will get worse before it gets better
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I don't think the mechanism is that different, and even if it was Europe, etc would have the same issue - data centers would still bid up the price for existing capacity, and the future capacity added to accommodate the dcs would be added at a higher marginal rate too because scarcity of new supply + base load nature of dc loads. So the problem will get worse before it gets better
Yes datacenters inccrease the prices here but they don't get a cheaper price then everyone else. There is a massive difference there.
Also IMHO, we are building way too many data centers right now. It reminds me a lot of the Y2K dot.com crash, and all of the residual dark fiber.
I spotted this article today that claims it's all in our imagination.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/data-centers-arent-rais...
Isn't almost all of the datacenter build out for inference, rather than training? If so, what's the issue? If the electricity demand is coming from actual use, then why are people getting mad at datacenters or AI companies, rather than the actual people driving the demand? It's like getting mad at Amazon for how much they increased fuel prices, which they surely did, given all the fuel that their trucks/planes burn.…
Bruh.... I've climbed those acai trees with locals in Brazil, and when I saw the thickness and richness of real, purely ground acai, and the dilute garbage ( cough sambazon cough ) they sell in the US, and mentioned how much it costs in the US.... the guy froze and thought he misheard me. A local friend turned and warned me "don't tell them that, because it'll create frustration and anger he can't do anything about."…
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When they gave water to big ag, we got to buy food. With this, we pay extra to lose our jobs.
The ag water was used to grow hay which was shipped to China and Brazil...
https://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2025/04/new-study-compa...