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Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by tempestn »

GoatOfAplomb wrote: post #545
optimalquiet wrote: post #495

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I've found they are increasingly doing this in ways that are somewhat creepy. For instance, you might share something, and the AI will say, "One of the things I most frequently notice..." or "What I often feel..." It used to be that the "you are not an I and you must not pretend to have experiences" training that produced the "As a Large Language model, I don't have experiences like humans do, but..." in replies I re…

I was recently a bit annoyed by ChatGPT responding with something like "I can't tell you how many times I've lost small tools in an engine bay" in an apparent attempt to commiserate.

Literally a true statement, I guess.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by antihipocrat »

kokanee wrote: post #356
bensyverson wrote: post #320

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Exactly this. For whatever reason, Claude likes to talk about the "shape" of "load-bearing" "seams," but if that's the internal jargon it needs to plan and execute its work, who am I to judge? But if I'm reading what is supposed to be someone's original thoughts, it's a huge bummer to see an obvious AI tell. You might say that "it's not just disappointing—it's disrespectful."

Hot take -- I'm glad that LLMs still tend to have recognizable communication patterns, because they're often the only clue I have to filter AI content.

I agree, long may the 'its not x, not y, it's z' phrasing persist.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by tempestn »

DANmode wrote: post #514
tessierashpool wrote: post #412

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Claude's affected my language in two ways. one is that, for a long time, Claude in particular responded more to feedback if I swore at it, which caused me to swear at it more. this vicious cycle generalized to the point where I now have to consciously remind myself not to swear when doing something as simple as buying a coffee or asking somebody what time it is. it was difficult to even write that sentence without th…

> anyway, the other way is I found it's helpful when prompting LLMs to use the same "it's not delivery, it's DiGiorno's" pattern that they're all so obsessed with. especially when the thing's misapprehended some concept, so you need to clarify 1. Dying laughing at “ it's not delivery, it's DiGiorno's" 2. They do it because it’s succinct, and unambiguous.

Agreed, that was a great line. The whole comment made me wish I could upvote more than once.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by tzs »

brettpro wrote: post #547
tzs wrote: post #531

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Let's turn this around. I don't use any paid AI or any agents. I just use some of their free interactive question answering interfaces. There have been some times where I've been doing a project in a language or environment that I do not use a lot, and maybe need to use language or environment features I've never had occasion to learn. I don't ask AI to write it for me, or even to write any particular functions. I mi…

This isn't really helping to be nice, though. It's outsourcing the hard part in a way that presents as "nice and helpful" and frames yourself as knowledgeable, skilled, experienced, or trustworthy in a way that doesn't match reality.

Suppose I'm trying to explain how a project works and as part of that I need to explain about an algorithm I found in a book, are people going to object if I say "Here's an explanation from " and quote a few paragraphs?

Suppose instead I found that algorithm by describing the task I needed an algorithm for and asking an AI for the most used algorithms for that task. I picked one of its suggestions, read up on it to make sure what the AI said about it is correct, and then I implemented it. If when explaining how the project works to others I say "Here is a good explanation from on how this algorithm works. I have verified that this is accurate", and quote the AIs explanation how is that different from the book case?

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by jeffhuys »

rpdillon wrote: post #353
doctoboggan wrote: post #309

I do not mind when I am coding with Claude and it uses all the typical claudisms. I am much more bothered when I am reading a blog post, email, or other form of prose and I see those same claudisms. I guess they are not annoying since I know I am talking to an LLM and expect the typical responses. When I am reading prose online that I previously would have expected a human to write, it can be quite jarring to realize…

I didn't use Claude for a long time, but my coworkers did, so I got infected through a side channel: I ended up reading their vibed docs, noticed "load-bearing", kind of liked it, and started using it in conversation, until I got feedback that I was "talking like Claude", so now I avoid the phrase entirely. The intersection of language and social norms is interesting.

Whenever I’m typing on slack now, I try to dumb down my talking to make it clear it’s not generated. Sucks. Because normally I was always quite eloquent (if I do say so myself)…

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by ricksunny »

I’m in a weird place with respect to claudisms. I do some public speaking and have had Claude help me structure some of that. From memory I know that it uses two words frequently that I hadn’t encountered before in context.

1. ‘beat’. A logical or emotional point that gets hit right after a previous one, like it was a volleyball spike right after a teammate set it up (the prior slide’s context) - something that the audience gets hit with to maximally reach the intended emotional impact

2. ‘register’ - the distinct ‘social tone’ in which essentially the same information is conveyed. Quickest example I can think of right now is, Steven Spielberg producing a film called Disclosure Day hits one social register, meanwhile a sober article covering a government whistleblower w/ paperwork bonafides making a report to Congress about their findings (on essentially the same topic as ‘Disclosure Day’) hits another register.

If I read those two words in another’s post, I would immediately know it was Claude relating to structuring public discourse. But the words themselves are useful, they add to the toolbox in my vocabulary that I did not have before. So I would not like to see them disappear just because they are ‘Claudisms’

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by HPsquared »

jeffhuys wrote: post #565
rpdillon wrote: post #353

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I didn't use Claude for a long time, but my coworkers did, so I got infected through a side channel: I ended up reading their vibed docs, noticed "load-bearing", kind of liked it, and started using it in conversation, until I got feedback that I was "talking like Claude", so now I avoid the phrase entirely. The intersection of language and social norms is interesting.

Whenever I’m typing on slack now, I try to dumb down my talking to make it clear it’s not generated. Sucks. Because normally I was always quite eloquent (if I do say so myself)…

That's practically a slider that could be added to the settings. Spelling, grammar, structure, word misuse, etc...

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by [deleted] »

optimalquiet wrote: post #495
renegade-otter wrote: post #437

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When I write these days, I am more aggressive in using "I", so it's clear it's my own voice. Generally, an LLM is less prone to self-reference like that unless it's prompted to, I guess.

I've found they are increasingly doing this in ways that are somewhat creepy. For instance, you might share something, and the AI will say, "One of the things I most frequently notice..." or "What I often feel..." It used to be that the "you are not an I and you must not pretend to have experiences" training that produced the "As a Large Language model, I don't have experiences like humans do, but..." in replies I re…

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