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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

makeitdouble wrote: post #110
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Same deal as what the GP is pointing at: you need to train kids to deal with slop, Sure. That's why I have mine mainlining China White. How will they learn to deal with addictive substances unless they're waist-deep in it?

If you're waist deep in China White, you may as well teach your kids about it, get them as much knowledge as possible, and how to stay clear of it. Letting choose a different path than you is IMHO the minimum you should be doing.

Maybe back in some earlier era when we all had so many children that 3 or 4 were basically disposable, stupid parenting methods like "letting them learn to deal with this ruinously dangerous vice on their own" would have worked (or maybe there's a reason no one did that then). But for those of you that have just the one or two, this is well beyond reckless. Nothing I could ever say will persuade you otherwise, and even observation of reality won't help since the aftermath will play out for 50 or more years. Good luck, you'll need it.

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Post by [deleted] »

nyeah wrote: post #61
titanomachy wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree. Whether or not these girls had phones, or social media, was irrelevant in this case. And I’ve never heard anyone seriously argue that 16-year-olds shouldn’t have phones, or that 16-year-old girls are at fault when an old man secretly makes videos of them. Both these groups seem like imagined bogeymen that the article is railing against.

>Whether or not these girls had phones, or social media, was irrelevant The article explains why that was not irrelevant.

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Post by Lerc »

what wrote: post #100
Lerc wrote: post #52

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Well I guess it is true that I don't have children of that age. My daughter is on the board of a charity that deals with youth issues though.

So neither you, nor your daughter, have any experience with the issue?

I seem to recall both of us being children once, although admittedly not at the same time. The research my daughter does as part of her charity work probably counts as well.

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Post by mdavid626 »

mcv wrote: post #69

Do people want to restrict 16 year olds with phones? That seems like a really bad idea. For 10 year olds it makes sense, but 16 is nearly adult; they need to really learn this responsibility. And of course they need a phone when they go out like these girls. A bit of a weird tangent from what apparently is harassment in a train or something like that? I admit it's hard to follow what is going on.

Give them a bottle of scotch and pack of cigarettes as well.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by travisgriggs »

Tax social media and other forms of attention products. Time users spend on these products is time taken away from earning revenue that can be taxed. Balance must be restored. If viewers’ available time/ability is harvested so that they have less taxable income, transfer the tax to where the wealth generation is being transferred to.

Same for AI.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by NoPicklez »

api wrote: post #10

The problem is not phones. Phones are fine. The problem is specific apps that make use of addiction engineering. These are bad on desktops too but the extreme portability of phones makes them a hundred times more potent. Like all risks it doesn’t affect all kids equally either. Some are less vulnerable for various cognitive reasons just like some are less prone to chemical addiction. Kids with wealthier and/or more e…

> IMO if you intentionally and knowingly engineer something for addiction you are committing a form of assault.

Whilst I agree that addictive things can be bad how far does this ago? Food manufacturers purposely make foods that are addictive. Video game companies use ways to make games more addictive.

Companies make things that we want and sometimes we get addicted to wanting it too much.

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Post by BrenBarn »

This is a weird take. I don't understand how what this guy did or didn't do with his phone has any relevance for whether kids should have phones or do certain things with them. About the most I could say is that I would agree that many of the problems with phones are problems for adults as well as kids.

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Post by anon291 »

NoPicklez wrote: post #96

My question to these sorts of articles is, okay so what do we do then? What do we do when we know that social media it not healthy for kids. Its not good for their attention spans or mental health to a much greater degree than other forms of media. Nobody is saying kids shouldn't have phones, but they should be able to use them without being engulfed in social media content that has been shown to have a negative impa…

Kids shouldn't have smartphones until much later, like late teenage years.

A flip phone for kids who are out of the house regularly with some contacts is fine.

No need to be a Luddite, but what do kids possibly get out of a phone? If I didn't have work and to chauffeur people around, id toss mine too.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

skhr0680 wrote: post #76
testing22321 wrote: post #70

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Do people really want to restrict 16 year olds with alcohol? 16 is nearly adult, they need to learn responsibility

Teenagers learning how to have a couple of beers with a meal would be an improvement on them turning 18/20/21 and going and getting hammered on shots

I think the evidence points the other way. Giving younger people a drink with their meal during adolescence leads to more drinking problems later in life.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by mumin00 »

We need limits though and that's the whole point. The effect of doom scrolling on the young brain is something we can't just turn a blind eye to. Add to it bad people trying to hurt the young ones and using them
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