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The Second Life of Sanskrit

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Re: The Second Life of Sanskrit

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Buddhism wasn’t exterminated due to violence like Zoroastrianism from Iran. https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianHistory/comments/18rdfjx/hist...

Really just a tribute to the syncretic capacity of Hinduism.

Not a lot got absorbed into Hinduism though. Look at the link for factors that contributed.

Jainism and Sikhism have survived and didn’t get absorbed into Hinduism.

Re: The Second Life of Sanskrit

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There's always Lithuanian.

Context?

Lithuanian underwent fewer changes than other European languages languages from the same root language that begat all the proto-Indo-European languages. So it shares a lot of similar words with Sanskrit which is extremely well preserved.

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/C4D22AQGncdnVV2H6Mg/fee...

Other languages like English mutated too much so it shares fewer similarities to Sanskrit.

Re: The Second Life of Sanskrit

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The revival of Hebrew is a counter example, of a "ritual" language that managed to become a practical daily language for written and spoken communication.

Biblical Hebrew has no vowel markings (well it does, but they are an interpretation), so it cannot be used in daily speech. Modern Hebrew is distinct from Biblical Hebrew. Sanskrit itself does not have much use as an actual language because it lacks a lot of the features that, say, Hindi or English or Ancient Greek have, it has 7 past tenses that are basically identical and it does not make fine distinctions between…

> Biblical Hebrew has no vowel markings (well it does, but they are an interpretation), so it cannot be used in daily speech. Modern Hebrew is distinct from Biblical Hebrew

The same can be said about Latin (of which we do not exactly know how they used to pronounce words), or any other language. How to pronounce letters or words is always "interpretation" (or more accurately, tradition).

Re: The Second Life of Sanskrit

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My South Indian Dravidian language Malayalam, is around 50% Sanskrit words.

Technically any Sanskrit word is also a Malayalam word.

Examples of Sanskrit words we would use daily in conversation with a fluent Malayalam speaker include:

Pusthakam (Sanskrit: Pustakam) - Book

Bhāryā - Wife

Swapnam (Sanskrit: Swapnam) - Dream

Agni (Sanskrit: Agni) - Fire

Varṇam - Color

Samayam (Sanskrit: Samayam) - Time

Vidhyālaya (Sanskrit: Vidyālaya) - School

And of course many personal names ( including mine, my wife's and my children's ) are in Sanskrit.

We have a word for this phenomenon : "Manipravalam is a medieval South Indian literary style and hybrid language that blended Sanskrit with local Dravidian vernaculars—primarily Malayalam and Tamil. Translating to "ruby and coral," it symbolized the seamless, decorative intertwining of the local tongue's grammar with the eloquent vocabulary of Sanskrit"

There are thousands of other Sanskrit words in daily use in Malayalam.

"bodham, santoṣam, saṅkaṭam, sneham, iṣṭam, premam, deṣyam, (Skt : dveṣyam) kopam, viṣamam, saṁśayam, bhayam, buddhi, dhairyam, ālocana, cinta, vicāram, vedana, daya(vu), dākṣiṇyam, abhimānam, mānam, sukham, tṛpti, manass, antass, śānti, samādhānam, svairam, sahatāpam, paribhavam, parāti (a Malayalam word made using Sanskrit; parātī, act of rejection) duḥkham, ātmā(vu), āgraham, virodham, prayāsam, kaṣṭam, manaḥprayāsam, manassamādhānam, manośūnyam (this is a common phrase in some dialects and completely absent in others, it refers to the act of not having mental happiness in anything) dhārṣṭyam (I am surprised how mallus still use such tough words) puccham, (means “tail”/”inferior” literally, used in the sense of contempt) ahaṅkāram, bhāvam, svabhāvam, guṇam, āśvāsam, āśaṅka, (colloquial in some dialects) ākulam, (colloquial in some other dialects) ākrāntam, ārtti, krūram, vīryam, ākāṃkṣa, vātsalyam, vāśi, tātparyam, svapnam, saṅkalpam "

"vṛtti, sampatt-, sāmpattikam (this is a Malayalam word made using Sanskrit vṛddhi rule, the Sanskrit word should have been sāmpadikam) svatt-, prakṛti, praśnam, upayogam, svantam, svātantryam, sādhanam, sammānam, sammatam, saṅgītam, pratīkṣa, pradhānam, ādyam, avasānam, divasam, rātri, sambhavam, samayam, kālam, vidham, vidhi, śīlam, rīti, svasthata, asvasthata, sūryan, candran, bhūmi, guḷika (meaning “round”, same root as gola) sūkṣ-ikkuka, rakṣa, surakṣa, upadeśam, lābham, prayojanam, āvaśyam, atyāvaśyam, adhikam, sāram, nissāram, tatkālam, prasiddham,upakāram, anugraham, varam, dānam, śāpam, śalyam, aṅgīkāram, anveṣaṇam, ākrama-, akramam, parākramam, yuddham, tarkam, sallāpam, niścayam, jīvitam, mārgam, uccam, śabdam, āghoṣam, sādhu, puṇyam, pāpam, svargam, narakam, pātāḷam, prakāśam (more colloquial words are veṭṭam, veḷiccam, all are equally frequent according to dialects) viśvāsam, kāryam, śuddham, vaśam, sāmarthyam, sādhakam, dikk, diśa, vākk, svaram, ābharaṇam, viparītam, nāśam, vārtta (for “news” : made using vṛddhi from Sanskrit varta- “present affair”, compare with NIA bāt) sāmyam, trāss (from Skt tulās) saṃsāram, vartamānam, anusaraṇa, anuvādam, anāvaśyam, alpam, svalpam, abhiprāyam, dhārālam (an old Sanskrit dialectal word used today only in Malayalam, the opposite of viralam) and hundreds more. (even out of the world Sanskrit-Malayalam combination words like vṛtti-kEṭu, buddhi-muṭṭu, piṭi-vāśi)"

Re: The Second Life of Sanskrit

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Really just a tribute to the syncretic capacity of Hinduism.

Not a lot got absorbed into Hinduism though. Look at the link for factors that contributed. Jainism and Sikhism have survived and didn’t get absorbed into Hinduism.

You do know iamshs is Sikh, correct?

Re: The Second Life of Sanskrit

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From down south of India - the Proto Tamil language is the basis for modern Tamil, Malayalam and others. We still have Sanskrit being used by Temple priests. One of changes in the last decade is - Tamilnadu finally has temples with priests using Tamil for religious rituals. Sanskrit was gate kept by the priestly class. It’s not a colonial reframing.

Look forward to Tamil being used in mosques and the Adan being in Tamil instead of Arabic.

That’s in utterly bad taste. Not sure what offended you. But there is no need to call in Muslims and mosques in this conversation.

Re: The Second Life of Sanskrit

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Look forward to Tamil being used in mosques and the Adan being in Tamil instead of Arabic.

That’s in utterly bad taste. Not sure what offended you. But there is no need to call in Muslims and mosques in this conversation.

Was your argument not about replacing non-local languages like Sanskrit and Arabic (used exclusively for liturgical purposes in Tamil Nadu) with local languages like Tamil? If not, it might be useful if you spelled your argument out.

Re: The Second Life of Sanskrit

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Taleb says that some languages are only meant for ritual. IMHO, Sanskrit quotes sound cool to those who know Prakrit languages just like Latin and Greek quotations sound cool to those who know Romance languages (and even to those who know English, like myself). Yes, there is a revival, and an interest. But Sanskrit has always been known to the "priestly" class even though they never conversed in it. This new revival…

It's kind of interesting that you contradict much of what the article concludes, even though the article gives a lot of examples. Maybe your prediction will be true.

Re: The Second Life of Sanskrit

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Sanskrit is an amazing language - it is so BIG! Because of its extensive case system (10 different cases, IIRC), word order is highly flexible. The formalized rules of how spelling changes based on word adjacency (sandhi), and the ambiguity of interpreting long compounds, combined with the free word order, are so rich with poetic possibility that English seems baby-talk in comparison.

It's hard to describe just how cool this language is. Even the alphabet! The way we learned it, it is arranged in a grid with all of the letters in a row corresponding to one sound, and each column based on where in the mouth you make the sound.

I wish I could do it justice, but words fail. IMO it is absolutely, intrinsically, worthwhile to study.

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