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Punch yourself in the face with reality

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Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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No this isn't punching yourself in the face. Not for swes. What's written above is self confirmation that you are better than AI and that you will always have a job because you are better because AI can't build something that works. That stuff about convincing yourself you're building something useful is actually the easy question. Punching yourself in the face involves telling truths that are incredibly hard to stom…

This guy's head will explode when he realizes that AI has been better at coding than humans for years and yet software engineering employment % has barely twitched...

? Claude code didn't get very useable until about 4.5 - and its still not better than the best humans - only faster to first implementation.

You must have a different definition of most of the words you used than I do.

Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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It’s a nice quote. But what about the notion that we’re always believing in something, and sometimes those beliefs tune closer to something objective but if we keep tuning past that into something else, then that reality becomes hard to conceive of and really does seem like it’s gone away.

There isn't an exact quote from Douglas Adams, you have to read it all, but he put the point marvelously: reality is scary, unlimited and lovecraftesque, and we have filters to avoid that. Only when you master those filters you can consider yourself conscious.

I think we might about have the technology to build the bad thing blocking sunglasses now.

Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a nice quote. But what about the notion that we’re always believing in something, and sometimes those beliefs tune closer to something objective but if we keep tuning past that into something else, then that reality becomes hard to conceive of and really does seem like it’s gone away.

When you break a leg you can’t start believing it is all good. It doesn’t go away. As much as you would have aspirations to be a pro soccer player, badly enough broken leg can prevent you from ever being good enough. Your imagination of being pro player does go away when in reality you’re not fit for the purpose.

Maybe that's the kind of reality that the posted article is about, but I would say that, soccer is already just a made up game that has no inherent claim to reality, and pro-soccer doubly so.

Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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I spent multiple 5-hour sessions spec-ing my climbing app with AI, clarifying interactions, algorithm, workflow etc. It ended up a frankenstein that I didn't recognise or know how each part interact with each other. Command line were a mess, different commands doing the same thing, with similar but redundant arguments. Everything looks kind of doing what I intended but overly convoluted and nothing really works. Real…

As apps get larger and more complex, I get the LLM to produce 'developer documentation'. I find it helps them stay on the rails, and it helps ME stay on top of everything.

The 'spec' frameworks are documentation as well, but can become contradictory as decisions about the app change over time.

Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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I agree with your overall sentiment, although maybe the article and this sentiment more generally are going a little bit overboard with the skepticism/negativity. It is a little alarming the way people treat AI as another human relationship, yes. But AI is also a pretty useful research partner and rubber duck for ideas so long as you know going into it that it’s going to have a bias toward agreeing with you. This sit…

> It’s not going to build my character or build my growth and meaning to buy the wrong thing from an online store. dealing with the consequences of my mistakes sounds like growth to me

Yes, but it's dumb to deliberately provoke a mistake that could be avoided, just to "build character"

Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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It's very difficult to keep AI focused, when it barfs out 3 pages of reply in response to a one-sentence prompt. It's sort of its nature for some reason, it's very impressive if you've never seen it but it's exhausting to use for very long. It's like a very eager assistant who doesn't have enough experience to understand scope.

I find it highly similar between running agents and running human teams. Clear goal, share context, delegate but verify. Running a team of engineers also inevitably generates pages and pages of material, design spec, code, test, review. Just that we now do that with agents and agents are way less trust worthy

What's good for agents is good for humans. That's about it.

The only difference is that agents don't deal well with ambiguity in processes. If your build process is 15 steps, a human will just endure because "that's how it's always been" - an agent will keep stumbling until you either optimise the process or document it.

And now it's better for humans too, they either got a simplified process or better documentation.

Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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I have found that it gets some of the "cruft" out of the work, freeing me to do more work. Since starting to use LLMs, I have actually been spending more time, at the console, than before. One reason is that I like to ship (as opposed to "code"). That means a lot of tedious, boring stuff. The kind of thing that I want to "take a break before tackling," so I may take 30 minutes, and watch something on TV for a while,…

Yeah I have found that AI in general has a procrastination nullifying effect. Before dealing with anything that might put me off. I can just ask the agent to do it for me. And then, do something else, take that break, but regardless in a few minutes I will have something to jump on instead of the same blank terminal with the same blinking cursor judging me. It really makes taking the first step, much easier and then…

It's the empty page problem.

For some people (most?) it's really hardhard, almost impossible, to fill the page with text, but when you have a page of text - even if it's shit - suddenly it's easy to critique it and interate to make it better.

AI lets me poop out an MVP out of any idea or spec with very little effort on my part, then I can go in and start improving it.

Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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This quote from Philip K Dick seems relevant: Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

It’s a nice quote. But what about the notion that we’re always believing in something, and sometimes those beliefs tune closer to something objective but if we keep tuning past that into something else, then that reality becomes hard to conceive of and really does seem like it’s gone away.

Common philosophical answer is that people only can know the approximation of reality, never the reality itself.

Better approximations usually score you more points, which is why our perception usually evolves closer to reality.

Bad scoring systems exist.

For example, let's say if an extremely privileged person – a favorite son|daughter of a billionaire – takes random chances and people around him|her always agree and accommodate for them to win (because they want a favor from a parent), than this person will most likely have a very warped sense of reality through no fault of their own. Basically their only approximation could only be "Do whatever, just don't touch fire with bare hands and don't make daddy angry"

On the other hand, the suffering child from "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" would also have warped sense of reality, because they lose no matter what action they take. The only reality approximation they can know is "everything feels bad"

Sidenote: in my philosophy, the continuous warping of reality happens mostly to people in overprivileged and underprivileged positions. Which is why I believe that a good equality index makes for a healthier society. But thats my pov, I'm not trying to sell it or anything :)

Note that I wrote "continuous warping". While sometimes bad approximations got rewarded more than good ones, reality is probabilistic. Since it can't be comprehended by people, we basically define reality as "something that is more likely".

And that's the answer to your question. If you tune past the reality, you start scoring worse again, and turn back. It's a distance thing, and the goal is to get as close to zero as you can, doesn't matter from which direction.

Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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You can't become a pro footballer just by wishing your leg wasn't broken, but you can pay close attention to the difference between pain and suffering, and acknowledge the pain without accepting any unnecessary suffering. Pain is part of reality. Suffering comes from wishing reality was different to how it is.

There will always be a point where you simply snap under stress, no matter how well you rationally understand the difference between pain and suffering while being at rest, and you will undeniably suffer from the pain when that happens. It's why torture works so well. Not to say that knowing this difference has no merit, just saying that it has limits to how much it can do. After all, reality can also hit the brain,…

Agreed

Re: Punch yourself in the face with reality

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>Figure out why you were put on this earth. Who is responsible for this mess? ;)

Nobody. We're just here. Mentally healthy human adults have ways to avoid thinking about the terrifying reality of infinite potential being restricted by a finite lifespan of decay, but not everyone is mentally healthy all the time.

Thanks. I was making simultaneous reference to Half-Life 1 (where the scientists keep asking "who is responsible for this mess?" and the humorous implication is that the player himself is the one responsible — having inserted the crystal into the laser or whatever), and the recordings of Alan Watts, in one of which he mentions the parents love to project lots of guilt onto their child but... Of course the one responsible for the child's existence are the parents. "They know what they did!" Hahaha
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