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Bonsai 27B: A 27B-Class model that runs on a phone

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Re: Bonsai 27B: A 27B-Class model that runs on a phone

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The models themselves are showing up on Hugging Face here: https://huggingface.co/prism-ml/models I've tried a couple in LM Studio - the GGUF one and the MLX one - but neither worked there. Anyone else get them to work? Might be that LM Studio needs to upgrade their llama.cpp or MLX engines first.

I downloaded two of the official ones in LM Studio, both 3.6gb, and neither loaded.

Re: Bonsai 27B: A 27B-Class model that runs on a phone

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What's the hiring space and business strategy around all of these smaller AI labs? Its really cool that people like these guys get paid to optimize models and give them out for free (open source). Do a lot of these labs have forward deployed engineers doing integrations with customers who want local models? Is there a general shift towards the local model crowd?

open source is a GTM strategy

Re: Bonsai 27B: A 27B-Class model that runs on a phone

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What I most want to see it compared to is Gemma 4 12B in the 4-bit QAT version. It's barely bigger than this at just under 7GB, so it also runs on just about any modern device and is remarkably smart for its size. It's an excellent tool user, crazy good vision for its size. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how much is lost with each step down in resolution, but the QAT versions from Google seem to prove the an…

Based on their numbers and cross referencing with the Gemma numbers, this model crushes Gemma 4 12b on math and coding, is slightly worse on knowledge and tool calling, and is significantly worse on vision tasks.

More to the argument that we need a model of models - one general one that calls specialists in to do what they are good at and handles that like a foreman for you.

Re: Bonsai 27B: A 27B-Class model that runs on a phone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on their numbers and cross referencing with the Gemma numbers, this model crushes Gemma 4 12b on math and coding, is slightly worse on knowledge and tool calling, and is significantly worse on vision tasks.

I think this is where leveraging classifier models will become important. The frontier LLM models do "everything", while we've known for a while that to truly scale this we will need to distill models into their individual functions. I don't see this as necessarily a bad thing and hope more is done in this space. Very promising.

Bitter lesson is knocking. Mixture of experts is essentially what you’re describing but free from unnecessary inductive biases.

Re: Bonsai 27B: A 27B-Class model that runs on a phone

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maybe its nitpicking here but the demo shows them asking the model what to cook and its recipie sounds like it wouldn't be very good and also it totally gets the macronutrients wrong. 25g protein for "spaghetti, carrots, peppers, garlic and herbs"?

Good spaghetti has 15% protein, 15g per 100g.

Even the lowest quality one has 12g/100g.

Re: Bonsai 27B: A 27B-Class model that runs on a phone

#146

What I most want to see it compared to is Gemma 4 12B in the 4-bit QAT version. It's barely bigger than this at just under 7GB, so it also runs on just about any modern device and is remarkably smart for its size. It's an excellent tool user, crazy good vision for its size. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how much is lost with each step down in resolution, but the QAT versions from Google seem to prove the an…

Based on their numbers and cross referencing with the Gemma numbers, this model crushes Gemma 4 12b on math and coding, is slightly worse on knowledge and tool calling, and is significantly worse on vision tasks.

The Gemma models are so good at vision. It seems particularly important for phones. Also, they write in a much more pleasant manner than Qwen imo.

Re: Bonsai 27B: A 27B-Class model that runs on a phone

#147

What I most want to see it compared to is Gemma 4 12B in the 4-bit QAT version. It's barely bigger than this at just under 7GB, so it also runs on just about any modern device and is remarkably smart for its size. It's an excellent tool user, crazy good vision for its size. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how much is lost with each step down in resolution, but the QAT versions from Google seem to prove the an…

I'd like to see them do a 1-bit binary version of Gemma 4 12B ;)

Re: Bonsai 27B: A 27B-Class model that runs on a phone

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maybe its nitpicking here but the demo shows them asking the model what to cook and its recipie sounds like it wouldn't be very good and also it totally gets the macronutrients wrong. 25g protein for "spaghetti, carrots, peppers, garlic and herbs"?

Good spaghetti has 15% protein, 15g per 100g. Even the lowest quality one has 12g/100g.

Pasta should be made of whole durum wheat.. which is 12g/100g. What's this "good" you speak of? There's certainly worse (soft white/red flour with germ/bran removed), but where do we find the +3g?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta

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