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Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by account42 »

inigyou wrote: post #258
SXX wrote: post #236

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That's weird there no such zones then. It would be nice to be able to pay for a domain 50 years in advance.

The DNS isn't 50 years old. There's absolutely no certainty your payment for the last year's will mean anything. Also if you're older than 35, you'll probably be dead. If you're not dead you probably won't care about the domain any more. Certainly all current politicians and the current political and economic systems will be dead. It's unclear there will be any reason to still have the domain and that it won't be blo…

It won't protect you against the country hosting the registry being nuked but it will likely shield you from future price hikes because not honoring pas renewals would quickly get the registry a reputation for being a fraud. Which is probably also why there is a limit - no registry wants to be bound by arbitrary long timed liabilities.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by account42 »

inigyou wrote: post #275
ufmace wrote: post #272

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That's vague to the point of being completely meaningless. Do you have any examples of a time they've been in "very big trouble", whatever that means? Exactly how often constitutes "all the time"? Do you have an example of a valid court order in any jurisdiction that they have failed to comply with? Do you have any examples of a court not mandating similar compliance for Signal, iMessage, or any other E2EE platform d…

Famously, Pavel Durov (owner of Telegram) was arrested in France a couple of years ago and held in custody until he complied with one he'd received earlier. Famously, Signal complies with court orders by giving up all the data that's requested that it has, which isn't very much. This is what you expect from E2EE platforms. A court order to do the impossible is invalid. Telegram gets in trouble because it's possible f…

But as long as Signal controls the client app, there are very possible court orders to provide access to "encrypted" user chats even if courts haven't made use of those yet (as far as is publicly known).

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by ufmace »

inigyou wrote: post #275
ufmace wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's vague to the point of being completely meaningless. Do you have any examples of a time they've been in "very big trouble", whatever that means? Exactly how often constitutes "all the time"? Do you have an example of a valid court order in any jurisdiction that they have failed to comply with? Do you have any examples of a court not mandating similar compliance for Signal, iMessage, or any other E2EE platform d…

Famously, Pavel Durov (owner of Telegram) was arrested in France a couple of years ago and held in custody until he complied with one he'd received earlier. Famously, Signal complies with court orders by giving up all the data that's requested that it has, which isn't very much. This is what you expect from E2EE platforms. A court order to do the impossible is invalid. Telegram gets in trouble because it's possible f…

The published reports of the exact things requested of them in the French arrest seem pretty vague. If they're related to the security of private messages and chats, it would seem to prove the point that they do infact refuse to provide that for anybody. The details around his release seem even more vague. We have only speculation and no actual proof that he or Telegram caved on such a request. As far as I know, we've never seen any charges that definitely came from Telegram revealing the messages of a private group chat.

Meanwhile, if you believe that any Governments actually refrain from prosecuting Signal executives due to their refusal and/or inability to produce the messages from private chats because they have E2EE, well, I've got a nice bridge to sell you.

If they actually are refraining from going after Signal executives in a similar fashion, most likely either 1. Nobody is actually using it for anything interesting, 2. They are actually secretly cooperating somehow, or 3. Governments are already happy with other technical means of extracting the contents of Signal chats they are interested in. See the US FBI's curious sudden lack of interest in Apple's ability, or lack thereof, to extract a wanted suspect's iMessage messages.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by sixothree »

inigyou wrote: post #257
e40 wrote: post #244

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Namecheap was recently sold to PE. I had been with them for decades and immediately transferred to Cloudflare. Lessor of evils.

Cloudflare is still a greater evil than Namecheap. Try Porkbun or Dynadot.

I've had really good success with porkbun. Everything seems to work for me.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by sixothree »

anigbrowl wrote: post #102
ilaksh wrote: post #75

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But Telegram hasn't engaged in that, some of their users have. I think the issue might be that although Telegram has a lot of abuse takedown activity, they do not permit access or direct action by authorities. If I recall, they have reiterated many times that some level or types of messages always remain private. Maybe that's the issue is that a lot of illicit activity is going on in private channels and whether or n…

I'm not making an argument about who's right or whether these disputes have any merit, I'm just trying to guess who might have had the inclination and legal resources to make this happen.

But if you state X then you must also be implying Y. Right?!

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

shishcat wrote: post #229
shishcat wrote: post #225

I found this post: "I contacted Identity Digital, the registry operator for the .ME domain zone, to request the reason why t.me was placed on "serverHold". The company has now responded and confirmed that the domain was suspended due to OFAC-related compliance requirements. The domain t.me has been placed on serverHold due to OFAC-related compliance requirements Identity Digital also stated that, under its agreements…

OFAC just announced sanctions against a VPN provider that had a t.me link listed as its website. I wonder if that's what triggered the t.me ban? They saw the domain in the filing and went, "Yep, ban the whole thing."

Which provider? It sounds like they're doing something right.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

grayhatter wrote: post #267
lesostep wrote: post #241

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>> doesn't sync properly between devices which is good, actually. We don't want a way through which a server could tell a new device all the information it needs to decrypt messags

yeah, it is good! I hate usability features too!

You either have E2EE or you don't. If you have usability, you don't have E2EE.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

codedokode wrote: post #263
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #201

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> kiwi farms and 4chan are relatively harmless compare to what Telegram enables yet kiwi farms was taken offline at the behest of a political camp that has certain opinions about very basic stuffs that shouldn't even be grounds to be considered. Literally what the fuck is this take? Kiwifarms' central purpose for existing is to organize doxxing and harassment efforts. It has harassed multiple people into committing s…

The wrong thing is that instead of going after doxxers, and reducing data collection to prevent leaks, they simply force the sites go to Tor network. And now Europeans want everyone to send a selfie and a passport to register at sites, which only makes doxxing easier. Clowns. Also, doxxing is relatively harmless. You won't die just because someone posts your passport online.

> You won't die just because someone posts your passport online.

Jesus, do you have the object permanence of a 3-year-old? This part alone, no. But this then directly leads to hundreds of people harassing you, everyone you know, blackmailing you, etc. People get fired because their workplace doesn't want to deal with it, for fuck's sake.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by shishcat »

handelaar wrote: post #271
shishcat wrote: post #149

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Btw, I highly doubt Nauru makes much money selling their ccTLD, they manage it directly on the island and each domain costs a whopping 500$/year. Better examples: Tuvalu (.TV), Anguilla (.AI) Both of these countries (anguilla is not independent though) only get a cut of the money from the domains; all the technical management is done by GoDaddy for .TV and Identity Digital for .AI. In my opinion, very sad. .AI was ru…

> I highly doubt Nauru makes much money selling their ccTLD, they manage it directly on the island and each domain costs a whopping 500$/year. Yeah, can't imagine anyone buying any of these domains. I mean yes, it's literally the exact word for "naked" in French, but nobody speaks French so there's definitely no chance they make any money

"The most common translation for "naked" in French is nu (masculine) or nue (feminine)."

NU is the country code for Niue.

Not Nauru. Nauru is NR.

NU is an interesting story, the control of the domain was granted in exchange for providing internet services to the island, and its operation was later transferred to the Swedish Internet Foundation. The islanders want the domain back

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by grayhatter »

shishcat wrote: post #268
grayhatter wrote: post #265

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I think you're being sarcastic? Because you don't believe they are responsible for the actions of their agents? If I hire someone to file my taxes, and they lie/cheat/steal. I'm still going to jail. I don't think they should be required to answer for this fuck up, but if they not angry at their chosen agents, it's because they're on the wrong side, and deserve some blame too.

No I am not sarcastic, I think it's sad that countries give up the autonomy of controlling their sovereign domain to random foreign American companies

I must have completely read your comment backwards. I thought you were suggesting they didn't have any fault. But you're saying it'd be better if managed their domain themselves, that I completely agree with.
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