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The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by initatus »

inigyou wrote: post #372
iamnothere wrote: post #117

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Hello, what right do you have to regulate the presentation of speech ? If you regulate this format because it’s now considered harmful, what stops El Presidente from moving to ban “zines” because the format is “harmful to young minds” and used by “antifa”? What stops CA from moving to ban forums because threaded formats are suddenly considered “too addicting”? Maybe we should ban VR or first person shooter video game…

btw zines are already illegal in the USA. 30 year sentence. https://culture.org/art-and-culture/thirty-years-for-a-box-o...

Funny. You're citation never says what he was sentenced for, specifically.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by tt24 »

semilin wrote: post #174
ahnick wrote: post #150

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What's very obviously unnecessary is the need for a law to police this. You can just not use things you don't like. This need to project one's own morality upon others will be the source of endless conflict.

Absolutely. While we're at it, why should asbestos be regulated? You can just not go in buildings that have it.

I’d have no problem with this as long as the building makes it known that it contains asbestos.

Infinite scroll is immediately evident. Just don’t use it if you don’t like it

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by esafak »

drdexebtjl wrote: post #400
iamnothere wrote: post #190

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Pagination works just as well with infinite content.

Good. Use pagination instead.

What good does it serve to have to constantly hit 'next page' in the middle of a real-time conversation? That's a bad UX.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by tt24 »

inigyou wrote: post #384
ahnick wrote: post #369

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This societal view that you are a powerless NPC slave to ones desires/addictions is highly toxic. It is not in fact binary for most people and people do have free will to make different choices. To absolve the individual of accountability is to undermine the very fabric of society. The way individuals typically overcome addiction is through reliance on close family & friends. Those family & friends can "take the phon…

This is sparingly. The government basically let the tech industry run amok for 20 years and only acted when the problems it was causing were serious and undeniable.

> only acted when the problems it was causing were serious and undeniable.

I wish we lived in the word you think we live in :(

In reality regulatory capture has infested nearly everything.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by inigyou »

iamnothere wrote: post #401
inigyou wrote: post #390

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It's as much of a 1A violation as regulating that you can't preach the gospel with a megaphone in the middle of Times Square.

Times Square is a physical place with limited space. It has multiple uses and the road or sidewalk you’re standing on is a publicly owned thoroughfare. Your megaphone might damage the hearing of non-audience passerby if you have it turned up really loud. That said, such a regulation would actually be unconstitutional unless it’s narrowly aimed at real concerns like blocking traffic. Snyder v. Phelps established that…

Is it illegal to preach with a megaphone in Times Square? I actually don't know.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by inigyou »

iamnothere wrote: post #402
dudefeliciano wrote: post #382

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> How does choosing your book’s font and margins apply to freedom of speech? The fonts and margins dont communicate anything by themselves. There is a book that communicates ideas/opinions and that is what's protected by the first amendment. If someone found a font that exploits the brains reward mechanism and causes all sorts of mental health problems perhaps that should be regulated too. Infinite scroll doesn't com…

Tell me you’ve never done serious graphic design work without telling me

Fonts are protected, you say? Then what if someone makes a font where every character is a different scene of child pornography? Would it be protected?

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by crubier »

Y-bar wrote: post #308
xienze wrote: post #293

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> for example having a small widget in the footer or elsewhere on my site And next thing you know, there'd be people complaining about "dark patterns" where the small widget is designed to be very easy to overlook and (more importantly) someone may inadvertently use the site briefly before noticing that they can turn off tracking. Whoops, you just got tracked. A modal makes it obvious what's happening on the site and…

I can’t emphasise enough how much you are missing the point of the law! The law requires me to NOT track you unless I get specific, informed, consent. The fundamental and default part of the law is to NOT track. Tracking by default (opt-out) is illegal. A modal is just a way to annoy you until you consent against your will. https://gdpr.eu/article-6-how-to-process-personal-data-legal...

> unless I get specific, informed, consent.

Explain how you'd do that without a banner or similarly annoying UX

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by inigyou »

iamnothere wrote: post #406
inigyou wrote: post #374

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There's the constitution (basically a piece of toilet paper with scribbles on it) and then there's the actual reality of how the country operates, and the actual reality is that speech is restricted in many ways. I must also mention that courts are not Congress and states are not Congress. The first amendment does not say "there shall be no law" - that is your poor paraphrasing - it says "Congress shall make no law"

Well just throw it all out the window then, if we’re not going to pay attention to the constitution. First things first, let’s make a law to ban you. If you’re just going to pick and choose what rights you apply, then it’s not much of a governing document, is it? Is this just “Parliament is Sovereign” with extra fluff? Might makes right?

Might has always and will always make right and there's nothing you can do about it. That's why we aim to make rightful organizations mighty.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by iamnothere »

inigyou wrote: post #415
iamnothere wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Times Square is a physical place with limited space. It has multiple uses and the road or sidewalk you’re standing on is a publicly owned thoroughfare. Your megaphone might damage the hearing of non-audience passerby if you have it turned up really loud. That said, such a regulation would actually be unconstitutional unless it’s narrowly aimed at real concerns like blocking traffic. Snyder v. Phelps established that…

Is it illegal to preach with a megaphone in Times Square? I actually don't know.

Apparently NYC requires an inexpensive permit, this approach is sometimes allowed to balance competing uses.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by drdexebtjl »

esafak wrote: post #413
drdexebtjl wrote: post #400

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Good. Use pagination instead.

What good does it serve to have to constantly hit 'next page' in the middle of a real-time conversation? That's a bad UX.

Maybe re-read the thread? A real-time conversation is not infinite content, it’s chronological and it ends when there are no more new or old messages. You shouldn’t use pagination, and I don’t expect this law or any similar law to enforce pagination on real-time conversations.
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