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New York becomes the first state to impose a data center moratorium

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Re: New York becomes the first state to impose a data center moratorium

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>The state currently has more than 130 data centers, according to Data Center Map, compared with more than 600 in Virginia and about 500 in Texas.

Texas is physically larger and 'business frienedly' so suspect they will be getting a lot more.

Taylor Sheridan can do a new series where a Ranch owned by a family for many generations is targeted by a Datacentre company.

Re: New York becomes the first state to impose a data center moratorium

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Small town politics generally fly below the radar but this is a real hot button issue in a growing number of communities. Town meetings are dominated by residents lacking the room for otherwise sleeping zoning hearings that nobody attends. Folks don’t want data centers in their town and they’re increasingly successful in chasing developers out. Outside the bubble of tech the attitude towards AI and everything associa…

Recent survey showed on HN that 60% of adults in the US dislike it which means that 40% either don't care or like it 40 is a massive number, you're not that far from a coin flip. I don't think any of us have a good read on how people feel because the vocal people are very vocal. Here on HN you'd guess everybody hates it or loves it and there are a bunch of us like me that just view it as a tool with consequences that…

Your closer to a 2/3 and 1/3 split then a coin flip with 60%.

You handwaved that 40% to a positive. This could easily mean very few people have a positive view of AI.

Re: New York becomes the first state to impose a data center moratorium

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Don't worry, they'll just build the data centers in NJ and still considered NY 1-20. Sarcasm aside, I don't really know where they would build data centers in NYS. Electricity rate in northern and western NY is going thru the roof. ADK/Catskill have very sensitive environmental laws. Can't really build in lower hudson as real estate cost would be killer.

> I don't really know where they would build data centers in NYS They would build them as close to NYC as possible. Data Centers existed prior to AI boom. HFT, edge hosting, etc.

The AI ones are a hundred times larger. Formerly you needed a building to house racks where each customer had a few servers, now they want a megacomplex all dedicated to one purpose. Few of these are even getting completed, most are abandoned for cost reasons.

Re: New York becomes the first state to impose a data center moratorium

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>The state currently has more than 130 data centers, according to Data Center Map, compared with more than 600 in Virginia and about 500 in Texas. Texas is physically larger and 'business frienedly' so suspect they will be getting a lot more. Taylor Sheridan can do a new series where a Ranch owned by a family for many generations is targeted by a Datacentre company.

The Governance of that oh-so-dependable Texan power grid are going to engage in some macabre arithmetic this Winter...

Re: New York becomes the first state to impose a data center moratorium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe they’re upset that the plan for AI to justify the trillions of sunk cost had to include massive layoffs and replacement of jobs with machines. That may not bother you, but it hardly takes a “Satanic frenzy” to dislike that prospect. More realistically imo the sunk cost is just sunk, but who wants to be the town buying into a gold rush that’s already showing signs of being a bit overblown.

99% of data center space has nothing to do with AI and is just the consequence of the long trend of flight from corporate data closets to central facilities and clouds.

No way. DCs and DC expansion existed before AI but they were inconsequential. What's new is the massive ones being built by the lowest bidder solely for AI. For a working template look at the xAI one that gave an entire town asthma, but luckily most of them overrun cost and get abandoned.

You would reasonably ask how a datacenter, of all things - one of the cleanest industrial buildings - can give an entire town asthma. And the answer is that there wasn't enough electricity available in the region so Elon rented all the temporary gas turbines he could, and set them up in the parking lot to run 24/7. Since they're designed to run one at a time and only in emergencies they don't meet ordinary NOx pollution regulations, and a whole bunch of them in one place emits enough NOx gas to severely hurt people. Elon doesn't care.

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Grid upgrades would have to happen no matter what. Data centers are just the catalyst and boogeyman at the moment.

This utopia that everyone has about electric cars will never come to fruition without grid upgrades.

This country has systematically underinvested and underdeveloped the electric grid for 50 years and now we are paying the price. It is a government failing.

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Here's a view that I've not seen AI/DC proponents engage in (for example, Carmack's recent pro DC post) AI is an exciting and promising new tech, much like the web/internet in 90s and smartphones in late 2000s. Back in those times, the tech industry was far, far smaller, tiny in the 90s and maybe like 1/20th of the current size in the late 2000s. Tech companies were not a big part of people's every day lives, so thes…

This is caused by capital accumulation. An oft repeated comment is "these guys being billionaires doesn't make you poor". But it does - it gives them large-scale unilateral control of society's resources to the detriment of regular people. This is an example.

Re: New York becomes the first state to impose a data center moratorium

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>The state currently has more than 130 data centers, according to Data Center Map, compared with more than 600 in Virginia and about 500 in Texas. Texas is physically larger and 'business frienedly' so suspect they will be getting a lot more. Taylor Sheridan can do a new series where a Ranch owned by a family for many generations is targeted by a Datacentre company.

The Governance of that oh-so-dependable Texan power grid are going to engage in some macabre arithmetic this Winter...

many of the data centers are being built with natural gas generators on site, and they are using excess gas from the oil drilling.
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