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Re: An Englishwoman who sketched India before photography took hold

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Post by abhiyerra »

gadders wrote: post #60
zkmon wrote: post #53

The English those days had some raw skills and strength. Jim Corbett traveled from Englad on a request to hunt a tiger, camped in the forest on a tree in the nights to deal with the beast. CP Brown studied Telugu and South Indian languages in a high detail. So many other Emglish men impacted India in many ways - irrigation, engineering and adminitrative framework etc. Second world War changed the course.

Also - James Prinsep - decoded the ancient Brahmi script, unlocking a lot of Indian history. And as an English person, it pains me but I should mention a lot of the Empire was run by random Scots people as well. They should share the credit/blame.

The Irish too… though they were given things like prisons.

Scots legacy of the empire can still be seen in the bank HSBC. Unfortunately, history sort of forgets that the Scots were involved in some of the more egregious aspects such as slavery and opium.

(Studied British Empire/Indian History)

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Post by randysalami »

randysalami wrote: post #57
zkmon wrote: post #53

The English those days had some raw skills and strength. Jim Corbett traveled from Englad on a request to hunt a tiger, camped in the forest on a tree in the nights to deal with the beast. CP Brown studied Telugu and South Indian languages in a high detail. So many other Emglish men impacted India in many ways - irrigation, engineering and adminitrative framework etc. Second world War changed the course.

I like to think WW1 and WW2 was the collective suicide of the West, at least in Europe. So much power lost, both in terms of empire and people, impossible to ever recover. I guess from my learning, it was inevitable, there was no other path where they could have not killed each other and blown up their empires. Alas.

Sorry rethinking this was a very insensitive way to put things. Too late to edit or delete. But it is a complete human tragedy that set the stage for generational trauma like no point before in human history due to rapid industrialization among other things.

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Post by Mainan_Tagonist »

nyeah wrote: post #68
fennecfoxy wrote: post #51

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Lmao, really? England has famously been judged for its industrial colonisation, even if it was still in an era where _everyone_ was colonising _everyone_. Interesting how Genghis Khan got away with it, to most he's now just a "badass" historical figure, I don't think most people could tell of all the terrible things he was responsible for.

In what sense does Genghis Khan get away with it? He was a monster.

Depends who you ask... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_statue_of_Genghis_K...

Kublai Khan also makes for decent entertainment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo_(2014_TV_series)

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Post by Mainan_Tagonist »

leosanchez wrote: post #59
seesawtron wrote: post #49

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Oh boy, you haven’t read enough about the British rule in India.

Please educate

This is a pretty good read https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/174501.India

This is a bit lighter and not specifically about India, enlightening nonetheless: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/166434.Empire

Basically, the history of British administration of India can not be summed up by the massacre of Amritsar or the sepoy wars

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Post by HexDecOctBin »

Mainan_Tagonist wrote: post #74
leosanchez wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please educate

This is a pretty good read https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/174501.India This is a bit lighter and not specifically about India, enlightening nonetheless: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/166434.Empire Basically, the history of British administration of India can not be summed up by the massacre of Amritsar or the sepoy wars

And if you want a perspective other than imperial apologists and colonial nostalgics, read https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32618967-an-era-of-darkn... and https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42972023-the-anarchy

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Post by Mainan_Tagonist »

HexDecOctBin wrote: post #75
Mainan_Tagonist wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a pretty good read https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/174501.India This is a bit lighter and not specifically about India, enlightening nonetheless: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/166434.Empire Basically, the history of British administration of India can not be summed up by the massacre of Amritsar or the sepoy wars

And if you want a perspective other than imperial apologists and colonial nostalgics, read https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32618967-an-era-of-darkn... and https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42972023-the-anarchy

which of the two is John Keay?

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Post by drTobiasFunke »

nyeah wrote: post #68
fennecfoxy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lmao, really? England has famously been judged for its industrial colonisation, even if it was still in an era where _everyone_ was colonising _everyone_. Interesting how Genghis Khan got away with it, to most he's now just a "badass" historical figure, I don't think most people could tell of all the terrible things he was responsible for.

In what sense does Genghis Khan get away with it? He was a monster.

Yes, Genghis was a brutal conqueror so he was a monster (rightfully). But Alexander, who was also a brutal conqueror, killed millions and literally burnt down persian capital is “the great”. See how subtle propaganda works? You dont even realize how it gets to you.

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Post by drTobiasFunke »

Mainan_Tagonist wrote: post #74
leosanchez wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please educate

This is a pretty good read https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/174501.India This is a bit lighter and not specifically about India, enlightening nonetheless: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/166434.Empire Basically, the history of British administration of India can not be summed up by the massacre of Amritsar or the sepoy wars

Inglorious empire is another good one by Tharoor. Provides letters and statements from British officials and officers to show the intent and exploits.

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Post by pseudohadamard »

sbmthakur wrote: post #21
ebbi wrote: post #5

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William Dalrymple's books are great reads. Makes reading history enjoyable. Highly recommend all his books, particularly his most recent 'The Golden Road'

Reading that one now. I finished The Anarchy before that and it was a great intro to the 18th century and how it made the ground fertile for upcoming colonial period.

I read it and it changed my view of the colonisation of India, the way the book portrayed it the place was basically a slaughterhouse until the Pax Britannica was imposed. I'm not saying the British were perfect but it seems a lot better than being raped or hacked to pieces depending on your gender by the army of the despot in the state next to yours at a moment's notice.

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Post by throwawaypath »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #8
throwawaypath wrote: post #7

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> the open landfill that it is now? I’m going to guess you’ve only visited India's cities?

And their rivers (most polluted in the world), lakes, rural areas so polluted that roads are shutdown when the trash builds up too much, etc.
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