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Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by handelaar »

shishcat wrote: post #149
walrus01 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you're wrong that tiny pacific island nations are not stable or reliable, at this point they're all either a client state of China, the USA or Australia. But I think it's also unfair and mean spirited to say that a country like Nauru (barely a country, IMHO, population of 12500 people) is "prostituting" itself by allowing 3rd party registrars to sell domains for a profit, since they have basically no ot…

Btw, I highly doubt Nauru makes much money selling their ccTLD, they manage it directly on the island and each domain costs a whopping 500$/year. Better examples: Tuvalu (.TV), Anguilla (.AI) Both of these countries (anguilla is not independent though) only get a cut of the money from the domains; all the technical management is done by GoDaddy for .TV and Identity Digital for .AI. In my opinion, very sad. .AI was ru…

> I highly doubt Nauru makes much money selling their ccTLD, they manage it directly on the island and each domain costs a whopping 500$/year.

Yeah, can't imagine anyone buying any of these domains. I mean yes, it's literally the exact word for "naked" in French, but nobody speaks French so there's definitely no chance they make any money

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by ufmace »

inigyou wrote: post #259
ufmace wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone cares about E2E encryption as much as tech people think. For all of the much-vaunted complains about their lack of it, I am not aware of any proof or credible claims that Telegram the company has ever revealed the contents of non-encrypted messages or group chats. Meanwhile, I don't think any authorities actually care about to what extent E2E Encryption makes it harder for Signal the corporation…

Telegram is in very big trouble all the time for refusal to comply with court orders they're capable of complying with, which is related to E2EE.

That's vague to the point of being completely meaningless. Do you have any examples of a time they've been in "very big trouble", whatever that means? Exactly how often constitutes "all the time"? Do you have an example of a valid court order in any jurisdiction that they have failed to comply with? Do you have any examples of a court not mandating similar compliance for Signal, iMessage, or any other E2EE platform due to that? There is no exception in the law for E2EE and it will not save you from consequences from failing to comply with a valid court order.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by codedokode »

shishcat wrote: post #229
shishcat wrote: post #225

I found this post: "I contacted Identity Digital, the registry operator for the .ME domain zone, to request the reason why t.me was placed on "serverHold". The company has now responded and confirmed that the domain was suspended due to OFAC-related compliance requirements. The domain t.me has been placed on serverHold due to OFAC-related compliance requirements Identity Digital also stated that, under its agreements…

OFAC just announced sanctions against a VPN provider that had a t.me link listed as its website. I wonder if that's what triggered the t.me ban? They saw the domain in the filing and went, "Yep, ban the whole thing."

Will they compensate the losses to Telegram for disrupting its business? Or it's ok to take down random domains?

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by kennywinker »

inigyou wrote: post #252
kennywinker wrote: post #207

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Some other legal dispute - trademark law, for example, isn’t censorship. Personal vendetta (i hate frank so i sabotaged his work), is also not censorship. Could also be the result of a hack for ransom, which is also not censorship Anyway, this is dumb. It probably is censorship, but i’m still gonna need a confirmation before i get mad about it.

Trademark law is a censorship law. Censorship based on personal vendetta is censorship.

I don’t mean to censor you here, but I disagree. If everything is censorship, then censorship becomes meaningless. Anyway, i gotta go censor something for breakfast, have a censor censor. Censor!

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

ufmace wrote: post #272
inigyou wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is in very big trouble all the time for refusal to comply with court orders they're capable of complying with, which is related to E2EE.

That's vague to the point of being completely meaningless. Do you have any examples of a time they've been in "very big trouble", whatever that means? Exactly how often constitutes "all the time"? Do you have an example of a valid court order in any jurisdiction that they have failed to comply with? Do you have any examples of a court not mandating similar compliance for Signal, iMessage, or any other E2EE platform d…

Famously, Pavel Durov (owner of Telegram) was arrested in France a couple of years ago and held in custody until he complied with one he'd received earlier.

Famously, Signal complies with court orders by giving up all the data that's requested that it has, which isn't very much. This is what you expect from E2EE platforms.

A court order to do the impossible is invalid. Telegram gets in trouble because it's possible for them to comply but they choose not to. Subpoenas are usually worded as "you must provide all information you have, relating to ..."

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

kennywinker wrote: post #274
inigyou wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trademark law is a censorship law. Censorship based on personal vendetta is censorship.

I don’t mean to censor you here, but I disagree. If everything is censorship, then censorship becomes meaningless. Anyway, i gotta go censor something for breakfast, have a censor censor. Censor!

Censorship is when speech or publication is prevented. Hope this explanation helps.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

fsuts wrote: post #227
inigyou wrote: post #179

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Or move again or hide forever. They already fled Russia and France. In Dubai they might be able to get protection with money.

Dubai isn’t a super power, they have to follow what USA and the major countries say. Wasn’t long ago that they introduced extradition agreements so now it’s not a country anyone can hide in.

Doesn't mean they'll comply with those agreements under all circumstances. I hear it's a pretty corrupt place.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

FabCH wrote: post #237
inigyou wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very different. If the USA soon starts cancelling politically inconvenient domains, European ones will be safe. Just like Nazi propaganda domains would be censored in Europe, but are safe in the US. Every domain has a country. It's as if every non-ccTLD was actually underneath .us. For legacy reasons .com .org etc were grandfathered in. gTLDs are also under .us for corrupt reasons.

Politically inconvenient domains are already routinely seized by the US and there are international agreements in place that allow cross-border takedowns. Why do you think t.me got taken down? Montenegro doesn’t care about Telegram.

Maybe India gave them enough reasons to care.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by qurren »

iamnothere wrote: post #173
qurren wrote: post #9

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GoDaddy is a shit registrar, but it has nothing to do with the name. You shouldn’t be basing your choices (or your HN recommendations) on product names, domain names, or other similar “vibes-based” reasoning. FWIW, I have also never liked the name, but the name is just marketing. This should rank very low in your decision matrix, hopefully.

My vibes are usually correct though.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by account42 »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #41
water-data-dude wrote: post #35

You can read an explanation of the status codes on the icann website. The explanation for clientRenewProhibited was interesting: "This status code tells your domain's registry to reject requests to renew your domain. It is an uncommon status that is usually enacted during legal disputes or when your domain is subject to deletion." Similar language for some of the other statuses like serverDeleteProhibited. https://ww…

But if you check the domain's expiration date, it's far away in year 2035. To the best of my knowledge, a domain can only be renewed in advance for up to 10 years. (that could be the reason for that status).

No, not being able to renew the domain due to the max renew ahead policy (it's registry-specific but also 10 years for .me) does not result in the clientRenewProhibited flag for .me.
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