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An Englishwoman who sketched India before photography took hold

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Re: An Englishwoman who sketched India before photography took hold

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Post by where-group-by »

21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #46
pm90 wrote: post #3

Besides the sketches, she has written extensively about Indian rulers at the time (e.g. Ranjit Singh). If you found this interesting, you would love the Empire Podcast... I believe they talk about Emily in the episode on Afghanistan ( https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/79-invading-afghanista... ); Dalrymple's book on the subject (Return of a King, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_of_a_King ) is also a masterfu…

Great podcasts. Also gives you more of an idea why empires started existing. Basically keep the lights on at home at the price of somewhere else going dark. Empire is a life support mechanism for civilization, because when the exponential of life runs out on the linear of physics, social machinery is needed to be more than a riotous blob of ever-warring starving people. Basically a civilization scale heat-pump, simil…

I'm very not much for anti-intelleciualism, but this reads terribly. Maybe being used to this kind of metaphor rich language comes with the territory, which I'm unfamiliar with.

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Post by xtiansimon »

js2 wrote: post #2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Eden > Her book, Portraits of the Princes and People of India , was published in 1844. It contained 24 lithographs that were drawn from her sketches of important Indian subjects such as Dost Mahomed Khan and Ranjit Singh. https://www.rct.uk/collection/1070252/portraits-of-the-princ... https://archive.org/details/Eden30538

Several of the pictures looked like lithographs. I wonder what the originals looked like. Though the “watercolor” of the deck of the ship appears original (maybe).

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Post by modo_mario »

djklfhdsbv wrote: post #48

I love it, the English can be there to exploit India and enslave its people but we treat their work as art. If it was anyone else like the Ottomans, we would treat it as barbarianism.

I think the ottomans typically catch much less flack than the english.

Only more recent stuff against greeks, armenians and kurds catches flack and those are around to amplify it.

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Post by eldaisfish »

sa501428 wrote: post #28
drTobiasFunke wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Above comment is accurate. All Indian indigenous systems were destroyed (education, governance, taxation etc) during the 1000 years of foreign occupation. India still operates under the oppressive system imposed by the colonizers to subjugate the population. The shock and ripple effects of the plunder, destruction and subsequent partition has crippled the subcontinent. It might take several centuries to rebuild and r…

Mughal India was roughly 20–25% of global output. It was British colonial rule that exploited and stole insane amounts of wealth and led to India’s economic decline. Comparing centuries of complex Indo-Hindu-Muslim history with British colonial occupation and extraction makes no sense. Some Muslim dynasties began through conquest, as many dynasties throughout Indian history did. But over centuries, Muslims integrated…

this economic output comparison is brought up often, without proper context.

During the time that the British were looting India, the industrial revolution happened. That also helped India's economic decline, as does the fact that today, around half India's population are in agriculture, while contributing around 14% to the GDP.

The industrial revolution separated economic output from population size.

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throwaway7783 wrote: post #25
lolnice wrote: post #20

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No one is in denial. The parent post is just explaining why, and not that the problem doesn't exist. The biggest issue we have is the mindset of the common (wo)man, regardless of why it is the way it is.

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drTobiasFunke wrote: post #11
throwawaypath wrote: post #7

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Above comment is accurate. All Indian indigenous systems were destroyed (education, governance, taxation etc) during the 1000 years of foreign occupation. India still operates under the oppressive system imposed by the colonizers to subjugate the population. The shock and ripple effects of the plunder, destruction and subsequent partition has crippled the subcontinent. It might take several centuries to rebuild and r…

I don't remember Dr. Tobias Funke being into Hindutva, but it's a funny image.

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Post by nyeah »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #51
djklfhdsbv wrote: post #48

I love it, the English can be there to exploit India and enslave its people but we treat their work as art. If it was anyone else like the Ottomans, we would treat it as barbarianism.

Lmao, really? England has famously been judged for its industrial colonisation, even if it was still in an era where _everyone_ was colonising _everyone_. Interesting how Genghis Khan got away with it, to most he's now just a "badass" historical figure, I don't think most people could tell of all the terrible things he was responsible for.

In what sense does Genghis Khan get away with it? He was a monster.

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adithyareddy wrote: post #23
pm90 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While European states invested in building up their human capital over the past 200 years, most of the Indian economy was turned into an extractive colonial state. The lack of investment set the country back by a lot. After Independence, it turned its back sharply on Capitalism (rightfully so, having suffered under extreme capitalism for a couple of hundred years). Unfortunately, that didn’t end up working very well…

The account you're replying to was created 49 minutes ago and has 2 comments, both on this thread, one already flagged and dead. Please don't waste your time engaging bait.

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