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UPI: Anatomy of a Payment Transaction

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Re: UPI: Anatomy of a Payment Transaction

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Funny story… I was on a trip to Europe (Poland) using my US credit card that didn’t have tap to pay or chip and pin (I believe it was swipe only) and the store literally did not have a way to accept payment and I had no cash on hand. They were nice enough and gave the pastry for free because they tried everything to charge the card but it didn’t work. They were embarrassed about the whole thing and were just like… pl…

I'm not sure whether this is fully correct - most card machines do have a way to accept swiping, but I think the store did not know of it (because no one uses it in Europe). Perhaps if you remember the provider, I could check it, but most machines still accept swiping, which is innocuously placed on the side of the machine. That being said, the US is a dinosaur when it comes to payments.

Haha I appreciate your offer for checking but this was like a decade ago. I figured the teenagers working that shop had no idea! And agreed on being the dinosaur :)

Re: UPI: Anatomy of a Payment Transaction

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Do you have plans for when the government interprets your small payments as terrorism and seizes your bank account? I think every country goes through this and then goes back to cash, but at different rates.

Do you have any examples?

https://archive.is/4ti7g

Re: UPI: Anatomy of a Payment Transaction

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Most places will not have change so you need to carry exact cash change all the time. And many are indeed stopping using cards and switching to UPI as the fees are much less, unless they are particularly foreigner friendly, like a hotel in a tier 1 city.

In fact, card acceptance has gone _up_ in my experience. Unless you're using a very small shop which just has a QR code, most businesses now use a POS which supports a lot of payment methods including cards. I agree that a lot of businesses now actively don't manage cash as they used to earlier... it's very difficult to get low-value notes as the central bank seems to be slowly reducing the supply by not printing as…

Card acceptance may be up (I can't comment one way or another) but last I was in India, a large number of POS seem to straight up block international Credit Cards.

Re: UPI: Anatomy of a Payment Transaction

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In fact, card acceptance has gone _up_ in my experience. Unless you're using a very small shop which just has a QR code, most businesses now use a POS which supports a lot of payment methods including cards. I agree that a lot of businesses now actively don't manage cash as they used to earlier... it's very difficult to get low-value notes as the central bank seems to be slowly reducing the supply by not printing as…

Card acceptance may be up (I can't comment one way or another) but last I was in India, a large number of POS seem to straight up block international Credit Cards.

Yep, international/amex cards aren't enabled by default by most POS providers (_due to the high fees on the merchant side_) and most small businesses don't really know or care enough to enable them.

Re: UPI: Anatomy of a Payment Transaction

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KYC and centralisation means govt will promise your money is there. These are essential for dev country or 3rd world. Even with so much kyc often there are fraud. This has minimised fraud. If you are looking for RMS style freedom etc then look elsewhere. This is not Iceland or Nordic. One another overlooked issue is India was the largest printer of currency. Until UPI etc modernisation - lots of torn currency - usual…

We've seen basically every country in the world make promises and break them. Right now your money is there, but give it less than 10 years until someone is decided to be a terrorist based on their transaction pattern, and all of their money is taken away.

Agree to your point. But the hawker in street in India wants to get paid or he or she cannot eat next day. And if majority say they will use UPI/online payments - they accept.

Do you live there? Every other shop will avoid paying you change including govt offices. While that should be resolved properly they did this workaround using online? Not perfect.

> We've seen basically every country in the world make promises and break them.

I sincerely hope you change the world.

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