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The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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the EU doesn't have a constitution

It does, it's just not the US constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaties_of_the_European_Union

Right, it has a set of treaties, not a unified constitution. And there have been a number of cases in which member state laws clashed with EU laws:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_European_Union_law

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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“Anchor + Offset” is stable because the anchor param should uniquely identify a specific record from which the offset is applied; a sort-order, direction, and page-size may also be optimally specified.

The reason infinite scroll is bad has nothing to do with the technicalities of the HTML behind it. You could always implement a technical solution for these technical issues but that wouldn't fix the real problem. It's addictive. There is no "one more page and I'm done" because the page never ends and you're never done. You get to the bottom, more content loads automatically and people say "this looks interesting, le…

It's very much a slot machine, maybe the next short video will be interesting. Maybe not, who knows, but you keep scrolling through shorts and binge watching.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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What would be the alternative though?

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The presentation of speech is regulated in many ways already. The idea that any type of regulation on speech whatsoever is unconstitutional is false. Also, how is a hypothetical regulation on infinite scroll unconstitutional, but “go after targeted ads” isn’t?

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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We can all agree that the internet was great and now it is less great, but the second someone articulates a very, very simple rule, the "well ackchyually" crew comes out of the woodwork. Infinite scroll is very obviously unnecessary. It is very obviously intended to keep people on an app longer than they would otherwise use it. You can lazy load into a finite scroll. Just make people click something every once in a w…

Should all buttons require a confirmation dialog to prevent people from making decisions too hastily? Should we ensure all interactions have at least 100ms of latency so users don’t get mesmerized by a smooth experience? Maybe we should set a max color saturation so nothing looks too enticing. We also don’t really need box shadows or gradients, they’re clearly meant to mesmerize users into making bad decisions. What…

The point is that - unrestricted - digital media maximises for time and attention. Given that incentive, addictive behaviours are not only inevitable, but an ideal outcome financially.

It's easy to say that it's absurd, but what would you do?

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Curious as to where the line between “addictive feature” and "good UX" is. Is deliberate pagination actual impedance to use or merely an annoyance that's been weeded out with modern UX design? When does a feature that simply makes your product easier to use cross into a territory that it's illegal? What about media previews, in a platform like reddit if you can preview or expand media directly from the main list is t…

> a feature that simply makes your product easier to use Except it doesn't. You lose context and are now drowning in an endless morass of lazy-loaded blocks and widgets, all hiding under invisible elements. Nothing has a permanent URL, so there is zero accountably if the user was shown something that they need to reference - unless it benefits the platform. And of course, it will eventually all force reload when the…

> now drowning in an endless morass of lazy-loaded blocks and widgets

> so there is zero accountably if the user was shown something that they need to reference

You just sound angry...

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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post #81

We can all agree that the internet was great and now it is less great, but the second someone articulates a very, very simple rule, the "well ackchyually" crew comes out of the woodwork. Infinite scroll is very obviously unnecessary. It is very obviously intended to keep people on an app longer than they would otherwise use it. You can lazy load into a finite scroll. Just make people click something every once in a w…

> It is very obviously intended to keep people on an app longer than they would otherwise use it.

What are you, protoplasm with eyes? Exert some willpower and get a grip. I've never known such a wimpy whining generation as this one

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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post #299

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Should all buttons require a confirmation dialog to prevent people from making decisions too hastily? Should we ensure all interactions have at least 100ms of latency so users don’t get mesmerized by a smooth experience? Maybe we should set a max color saturation so nothing looks too enticing. We also don’t really need box shadows or gradients, they’re clearly meant to mesmerize users into making bad decisions. What…

"Should all inhaleable substances be controlled? But then people won't be able to breathe. So smoking must be permitted unconditionally!"

If you don't like the website, log off, but don't force everyone else to agree with your particular likes and dislikes

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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post #290

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Absolutely. While we're at it, why should asbestos be regulated? You can just not go in buildings that have it.

This is basically the Californian Prop 65 compromise: put up a sign saying the building contains carcinogens, but not actually do anything about them.

So log off? If you think it's really that bad why are you anywhere near a screen at all?

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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This is exactly what will happen, Meta will just add a “next page” thing after 100 items that does a cool animation when you click it and the feed will continue as usual. Meanwhile we’ll start stacking up similar bills everywhere else and small operators will close down when they start getting worried about keeping up with 50 states worth of different regulations. Goal achieved: media centralized.

I'm trying to think of a small operator that absolutely needs inifinite scroll on their site for their product to "work" and nothing comes to mind.

This is irrelevant. It’s a question of rights and of creeping unconstitutional “regulation” that will begin to infect all aspects of software development and online publishing. The line has to be defended here.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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post #81

We can all agree that the internet was great and now it is less great, but the second someone articulates a very, very simple rule, the "well ackchyually" crew comes out of the woodwork. Infinite scroll is very obviously unnecessary. It is very obviously intended to keep people on an app longer than they would otherwise use it. You can lazy load into a finite scroll. Just make people click something every once in a w…

> It is very obviously intended to keep people on an app longer than they would otherwise use it. What are you, protoplasm with eyes? Exert some willpower and get a grip. I've never known such a wimpy whining generation as this one

"Exert some willpower!"

People exert willpower through the democratically elected legislature

"No not like that!"

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