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European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by joe_mamba »

anthk wrote: post #26
uniq7 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors Yes, there are many more: GNU/Linux, Windows, macOS, *BSD, etc. This will prevent people who only own a computer and not a modern iOS/Android smartphone from accessing services and platforms. This also sets a very strong anti-competition pressure. Which company will try now to invest on developing a new OS for smartphones if we already know…

Well, that would boost up torrent and sites and places like Usenet and IRC with no age verification at all. English speakers can just use overseas servers (or non-UE services such as the ones in Switzerland). And maybe Usenet servers outside the US too. Spanish speakers in Spain will just register services in Latinamerica sites with a VPN. Despite the dialect differences, non-jargon Spanish it's understood everywhere…

>or non-UE services such as the ones in Switzerland

Switzerland absolutely complies to EU (and US) demands for a long time now, when it comes to prosecuting crimes.

Swiss privacy and anonymity is a myth from a bygone era.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by perching_aix »

Erikun wrote: post #36

Im confused, the github discussion says that the README says App and device verification based on Google Play Integrity API and Apple App Attestation But I can't find that anywhere. Am I missing something?

> Am I missing something?

Yes, that this post is propaganda.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by trashb »

Erikun wrote: post #36

Im confused, the github discussion says that the README says App and device verification based on Google Play Integrity API and Apple App Attestation But I can't find that anywhere. Am I missing something?

From what I can gather from the linked discussion it was started as a pull request or a issue and was transferred to a discussion later. Perhaps some data was lost there? If you expand the comments fully there is also mention of a nuked merge request, I assume it was related to this text.

Edit it was not visible from the discussion link but it is visible from the issue link below. Also it seems to be transferred over from a totally different repo?

https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technic...

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by joe_mamba »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #35
blop wrote: post #25

This is the elephant in the room regarding the big "digital sovereignty" talks in the EU. For the moment in the EU institutions the focus is mostly at the post-acceptance stage that everything must eventually migrate off US clouds. There is still some denial and hope that things will go back to "before" because it's going to be extremely costly to migrate, but at least high level EU civil servants start to see the st…

Because this is all a political move. This so-called "EU sovereignty" drive is in fact aimed at further reducing sovereignty of the member states via further transfer of power and control to the EU. These digital ID wallets do exactly that. Member states lose control of the ID infrastructure, which will now be controlled by the EU. There isn't much sovereignty left at national level...

This is totally not the EU version of China's social credit score system and WeChat SSO system.

It will totally not be used to sanction you the moment you become a nuisance to the EU elites by saying "wrong speech" that goes against their mandated doctrine or pointing out their acts of corruption or dismantling of democracy.

The EU building in Brussels even has the word "DEMOCRACY" plastered on the front in large bold letters[1], in case you forgot.

[1] https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/media/photo/P-069521

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by snottynose »

trashb wrote: post #55
shevy-java wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they could change the laws to force people into slavery here, e. g. by forcing them to use US corporations ("if you do not have an app from Google store, you are excluded from society"). In that case they see age sniffing as ultimate tool of spying on everyone, so this is probably the real goal. What we all can see is that this has never been about children - they are just abused as the red hering here.

> "if you do not have an app from Google store, you are excluded from society" It would be a difficult choice but would it really be so bad to be excluded from such a society? Don't a lot of people from silicon valley dream to be farmers in the wildlands?

I mean, if the government would not demolish your house the second they found out about it...

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by marginalia_nu »

xienze wrote: post #70
marginalia_nu wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accessibility doesn't end with catering to most people though. Since this will be a prerequisite to communicate online, that simply isn't good enough.

You're under the impression that your concerns matter. What matters is the end game of tying real identity to digital identity.

Well my concerns happen to be my constitutional rights.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by pjc50 »

mnky9800n wrote: post #65
pjc50 wrote: post #39

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> a government supplied app, that’s guaranteed to protect my privacy This is a bit of a 64,000 euro question, though. Look very closely at what the government exemptions for GDPR are.

What are they?

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-re... for example. (Yes I know about Brexit, but this is basically identical to when the UK was in the EU and subject to the Directive)

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by roundabout-host »

skrebbel wrote: post #30

I agree wholeheartedly with the argument raised in this github issue, but I think people are wrong to be skeptical about the concept of a government-issued age verification app. Thing is, the status quo is absolutely worse. My 13yo son likes making Roblox games. Suddenly, some months ago, Roblox made a change where you’re not allowed to share your games with friends unless you do “age verification”, apparently in som…

The "app" could be a good solution, if it didn't require attested Android or iOS. It could, for example, have me plug my ID chip into my GNU/Linux system and expose it with a standard protocol. That would be no problem. The problem is that they do not want such a way.

In any case, I think that age gating would not be needed if the platforms were regulated to remove addictive recommendation algorithms.

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