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Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by mc3301 »

yanhangyhy wrote: post #3

why bother? japan hate EV

I used to follow it closely and be in the industry, but it still seems like Japan is gonna be the last "mostly ICE cars" of the developed countries.

Which is a shame, because it has a perfect combination of short-range needs (I mean, look at kei-cars), tons of wonderful places to hang out while charging (toll-way rest areas are so good), rare sub-freezing temperatures in most of the country, mandatory vehicle inspections (which could collect great safety data as well as preventative maintenance), general love of new cars and brand loyalty, lack of political or individual divide of "big gas trucks are manly", mobile-power-station earthquake preparedness (a nice bonus), generally cooperative nation-wide infrastructure...

I guess we just have to hope the main automakers can hold on long enough for solid-state batteries and move faster than a snail's pace when it does.

Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by cammikebrown »

mc3301 wrote: post #11
yanhangyhy wrote: post #3

why bother? japan hate EV

I used to follow it closely and be in the industry, but it still seems like Japan is gonna be the last "mostly ICE cars" of the developed countries. Which is a shame, because it has a perfect combination of short-range needs (I mean, look at kei-cars), tons of wonderful places to hang out while charging (toll-way rest areas are so good), rare sub-freezing temperatures in most of the country, mandatory vehicle inspect…

If you live in Tokyo or Osaka you really shouldn’t own a car

Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by inatreecrown2 »

mc3301 wrote: post #11
yanhangyhy wrote: post #3

why bother? japan hate EV

I used to follow it closely and be in the industry, but it still seems like Japan is gonna be the last "mostly ICE cars" of the developed countries. Which is a shame, because it has a perfect combination of short-range needs (I mean, look at kei-cars), tons of wonderful places to hang out while charging (toll-way rest areas are so good), rare sub-freezing temperatures in most of the country, mandatory vehicle inspect…

Isn't the reason they are so slow to adapt them that they have not enough electricity?

Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by tyre »

mc3301 wrote: post #11
yanhangyhy wrote: post #3

why bother? japan hate EV

I used to follow it closely and be in the industry, but it still seems like Japan is gonna be the last "mostly ICE cars" of the developed countries. Which is a shame, because it has a perfect combination of short-range needs (I mean, look at kei-cars), tons of wonderful places to hang out while charging (toll-way rest areas are so good), rare sub-freezing temperatures in most of the country, mandatory vehicle inspect…

In your opinion/experience, why is it that they aren't switching?

Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by toomuchtodo »

inatreecrown2 wrote: post #13
mc3301 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to follow it closely and be in the industry, but it still seems like Japan is gonna be the last "mostly ICE cars" of the developed countries. Which is a shame, because it has a perfect combination of short-range needs (I mean, look at kei-cars), tons of wonderful places to hang out while charging (toll-way rest areas are so good), rare sub-freezing temperatures in most of the country, mandatory vehicle inspect…

Isn't the reason they are so slow to adapt them that they have not enough electricity?

Japanese automakers are excessively risk adverse. Last big risk by Toyota was their hybrid synergy drive, which they coasted on for too long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Synergy_Drive

https://autos.yahoo.com/ev-and-future-tech/articles/toyota-p...

https://www.motor1.com/news/798173/toyota-chairman-reveals-w...

Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by chvid »

yanhangyhy wrote: post #3

why bother? japan hate EV

It is curious - you would think they would love it? But they don't - is it simply the case of the Chinese beating them - stubbornness and pride? Or is there something more going on?

Toyota was seemingly decades ahead at one point with their hybrid cars; but now they have resigned to a defensive position compared to Tesla, Chinese automakers, even the European ones.

Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by zdragnar »

cammikebrown wrote: post #12
mc3301 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to follow it closely and be in the industry, but it still seems like Japan is gonna be the last "mostly ICE cars" of the developed countries. Which is a shame, because it has a perfect combination of short-range needs (I mean, look at kei-cars), tons of wonderful places to hang out while charging (toll-way rest areas are so good), rare sub-freezing temperatures in most of the country, mandatory vehicle inspect…

If you live in Tokyo or Osaka you really shouldn’t own a car

What about the parent comment implied Tokyo or Osaka residence?

Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by Loocid »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #15
inatreecrown2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the reason they are so slow to adapt them that they have not enough electricity?

Japanese automakers are excessively risk adverse. Last big risk by Toyota was their hybrid synergy drive, which they coasted on for too long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Synergy_Drive https://autos.yahoo.com/ev-and-future-tech/articles/toyota-p... https://www.motor1.com/news/798173/toyota-chairman-reveals-w...

Which seems strange since Toyota are the origins of JiT manufacturing. I wonder what made Japan go through a period of incredible innovation and then just decide "ok, that's enough".

Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by yanhangyhy »

chvid wrote: post #16
yanhangyhy wrote: post #3

why bother? japan hate EV

It is curious - you would think they would love it? But they don't - is it simply the case of the Chinese beating them - stubbornness and pride? Or is there something more going on? Toyota was seemingly decades ahead at one point with their hybrid cars; but now they have resigned to a defensive position compared to Tesla, Chinese automakers, even the European ones.

> you would think they would love it?

no. i just found it funny.

> Or is there something more going on?

I remember BYD actually had to design models specifically tailored to the Japanese market (k-car)—their preferences are honestly so bizarre. I think a lot of this comes down to their national character. Once external momentum fades—like the industrial transfers from the US—they seem to lose the drive for technological innovation. They just cling to whatever they already have and refuse to adapt to global shifts.People in Japan are still using Yahoo and fax machines（not to mention their own bizarrely proprietary text editors,Hidemaru/SAKURA editor, to compare, in china, it's also vscode）.

Toyota is still digging its heels in on gas-powered cars, even though the fact that Tesla used Japanese batteries in its early days proves Japan was once ahead of the curve.but they always seem to retreat right back into their comfort zone after a brief flash of brilliance, watching the rest of the world race ahead while they continue living in the past.

Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries

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Post by [deleted] »

mc3301 wrote: post #11
yanhangyhy wrote: post #3

why bother? japan hate EV

I used to follow it closely and be in the industry, but it still seems like Japan is gonna be the last "mostly ICE cars" of the developed countries. Which is a shame, because it has a perfect combination of short-range needs (I mean, look at kei-cars), tons of wonderful places to hang out while charging (toll-way rest areas are so good), rare sub-freezing temperatures in most of the country, mandatory vehicle inspect…

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