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The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by iamnothere »

scoofy wrote: post #109
crubier wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just make people click something every once in a while But why? This is EU Cookies Banner level of state interference making UX worse for everyone just because some lawmaker doesn't like something.

"Some lawmaker" is democracy. The point is that people are pissed off about the addictive UX, same as cigarettes, and candy. If you want to make a serious argument, just argue that you should be able to opt out, which is an entirely reasonable position.

Democracy is bound by the limits of the Constitution, outside of an amendment or a revolution. (Note that the latter is usually considered a Bad Thing; occasionally it works out for the better, but just as often for the worse.)

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by semilin »

ahnick wrote: post #150
scoofy wrote: post #81

We can all agree that the internet was great and now it is less great, but the second someone articulates a very, very simple rule, the "well ackchyually" crew comes out of the woodwork. Infinite scroll is very obviously unnecessary. It is very obviously intended to keep people on an app longer than they would otherwise use it. You can lazy load into a finite scroll. Just make people click something every once in a w…

What's very obviously unnecessary is the need for a law to police this. You can just not use things you don't like. This need to project one's own morality upon others will be the source of endless conflict.

Absolutely. While we're at it, why should asbestos be regulated? You can just not go in buildings that have it.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by kelseyfrog »

mindwok wrote: post #168
ahnick wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's very obviously unnecessary is the need for a law to police this. You can just not use things you don't like. This need to project one's own morality upon others will be the source of endless conflict.

This isn't useful advice for addictive things that have high short term reward and high long term regret though. Especially so when the other party has a strong incentive to keep you trapped in that loop of regret.

Exactly. Also, for responders, let's skip past the "if addicts didn't want to use them they wouldn't," and go straight to framing it as a moral failing implying that they deserve it.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by brandonmenc »

semilin wrote: post #174
ahnick wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's very obviously unnecessary is the need for a law to police this. You can just not use things you don't like. This need to project one's own morality upon others will be the source of endless conflict.

Absolutely. While we're at it, why should asbestos be regulated? You can just not go in buildings that have it.

Call me when "infinite scroll" causes cancer.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by bigmadshoe »

xigoi wrote: post #36
afandian wrote: post #34

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The challenge is to retain an ordering over the result set. How would infinite scroll behave any differently in this case? The changing results seems to be an orthogonal concern to pagination/infinite scroll.

Infinite scroll makes the problem much easier, even if it’s still a problem. The only action you need to support is loading more results, which you can do by loading all results and filtering out those already shown. With pagination, the user may say “give me page 3” and you have no idea what was on pages 1 and 2, if they were even loaded.

Just use cursor based pagination. How is this any different whether it’s infinite scroll or separate pages?

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by bigmadshoe »

ahnick wrote: post #150
scoofy wrote: post #81

We can all agree that the internet was great and now it is less great, but the second someone articulates a very, very simple rule, the "well ackchyually" crew comes out of the woodwork. Infinite scroll is very obviously unnecessary. It is very obviously intended to keep people on an app longer than they would otherwise use it. You can lazy load into a finite scroll. Just make people click something every once in a w…

What's very obviously unnecessary is the need for a law to police this. You can just not use things you don't like. This need to project one's own morality upon others will be the source of endless conflict.

We can decide to pass laws to protect people from addictive behaviors. Do you support bringing cigarette advertising back for example?

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by denkmoon »

brandonmenc wrote: post #176
semilin wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. While we're at it, why should asbestos be regulated? You can just not go in buildings that have it.

Call me when "infinite scroll" causes cancer.

It is a cancer of the body politic.

Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes

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Post by burningChrome »

chillfox wrote: post #76
ticulatedspline wrote: post #4

Curious as to where the line between “addictive feature” and "good UX" is. Is deliberate pagination actual impedance to use or merely an annoyance that's been weeded out with modern UX design? When does a feature that simply makes your product easier to use cross into a territory that it's illegal? What about media previews, in a platform like reddit if you can preview or expand media directly from the main list is t…

Infinite scroll is bad UX design and always has been. It makes it impossible to click on any links in the footer of the page or even really reading what's in the footer. I remember when it was initially introduced, everyone I spoke to about it hated it.

Its also horrendous for accessibility and screen reader users.
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