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Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Since when did registars care about the political positions of its clients? They could have registered on cloudflare or namecheap and I doubt they'd bat an eye. Telegram is mainstream enough that nobody is going to cancel them, unlike kiwi farms or 4chan.

registrars are bound by the political whims of those that allow them to exist there have been multiple domains that have been shut down at the behest of certain governments even when its well beyond their jurisdiction kiwi farms and 4chan are relatively harmless compare to what Telegram enables yet kiwi farms was taken offline at the behest of a political camp that has certain opinions about very basic stuffs that sh…

> kiwi farms and 4chan are relatively harmless compare to what Telegram enables yet kiwi farms was taken offline at the behest of a political camp that has certain opinions about very basic stuffs that shouldn't even be grounds to be considered.

Literally what the fuck is this take? Kiwifarms' central purpose for existing is to organize doxxing and harassment efforts. It has harassed multiple people into committing suicide, and celebrates these murders as achievements. It is shameless to downplay that in the way you're doing.

4chan and Telegram are completely unrelated. They are low-censorship platforms. People can misuse them to commit harm, as they can misuse any place they're allowed to speak with privacy/anonymity, but the platforms do not exist for the explicit purpose to cause harm.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Based on that heuristic, .st is a very good domain, as is .gl (which hosts Anna’s-archive’s registration).

.st went down for most of a day: https://blorn.com/post/29851770158/beware-cutesy-two-letter-... Little TLDs may be poorly run. Would not trust again.

Technical failures are different from procedural ones (didn’t verisign blow up dot com or something years ago?).

The future is domain resiliency - whether that’s via apps or other methods.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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registrars are bound by the political whims of those that allow them to exist there have been multiple domains that have been shut down at the behest of certain governments even when its well beyond their jurisdiction kiwi farms and 4chan are relatively harmless compare to what Telegram enables yet kiwi farms was taken offline at the behest of a political camp that has certain opinions about very basic stuffs that sh…

> kiwi farms and 4chan are relatively harmless compare to what Telegram enables yet kiwi farms was taken offline at the behest of a political camp that has certain opinions about very basic stuffs that shouldn't even be grounds to be considered. Literally what the fuck is this take? Kiwifarms' central purpose for existing is to organize doxxing and harassment efforts. It has harassed multiple people into committing s…

News outlets have been reporting on how the Terrorgram, O9A, 764, and murder loving European fascist groups have been organizing on Telegram (it's in the name!) for years.

Discord at least attempts to do some moderation about this.

Telegram's strategy to deal with violent extremist groups on its platform is to not ban them but just make it hard to discover. But this doesn't stop someone already in the groups from inviting their buddies. I bet they actually prefer it this way.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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> kiwi farms and 4chan are relatively harmless compare to what Telegram enables yet kiwi farms was taken offline at the behest of a political camp that has certain opinions about very basic stuffs that shouldn't even be grounds to be considered. Literally what the fuck is this take? Kiwifarms' central purpose for existing is to organize doxxing and harassment efforts. It has harassed multiple people into committing s…

News outlets have been reporting on how the Terrorgram, O9A, 764, and murder loving European fascist groups have been organizing on Telegram (it's in the name!) for years. Discord at least attempts to do some moderation about this. Telegram's strategy to deal with violent extremist groups on its platform is to not ban them but just make it hard to discover. But this doesn't stop someone already in the groups from inv…

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Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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If it was due to some other legal dispute, or an accident, or a personal vendetta, or… idk, i will wait and see

so censorship, accident, or censorship. I guess it could be accidental censorship.

Some other legal dispute - trademark law, for example, isn’t censorship.

Personal vendetta (i hate frank so i sabotaged his work), is also not censorship.

Could also be the result of a hack for ransom, which is also not censorship

Anyway, this is dumb. It probably is censorship, but i’m still gonna need a confirmation before i get mad about it.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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kiwifarms and sci-hub have been kicked off .is

Based on that heuristic, .st is a very good domain, as is .gl (which hosts Anna’s-archive’s registration).

They operate in antiphase: annas-archive.st and sci-hub.gl are suspended.

This couple checked all the domain zones money can buy and... ended up using different sets, with zero intersection

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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You can read an explanation of the status codes on the icann website. The explanation for clientRenewProhibited was interesting: "This status code tells your domain's registry to reject requests to renew your domain. It is an uncommon status that is usually enacted during legal disputes or when your domain is subject to deletion." Similar language for some of the other statuses like serverDeleteProhibited. https://ww…

But if you check the domain's expiration date, it's far away in year 2035. To the best of my knowledge, a domain can only be renewed in advance for up to 10 years. (that could be the reason for that status).

> To the best of my knowledge, a domain can only be renewed in advance for up to 10 years.

That is the rule for COM/NET/ORG. ccTLDs can do what they please.

That said, as a registrar I highly recommend people renew important domains for 9 years. It gives you maximum buffer but allows you to transfer to a new registrar even if your old or new one has the same misconception hard coded.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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> kiwi farms and 4chan are relatively harmless compare to what Telegram enables yet kiwi farms was taken offline at the behest of a political camp that has certain opinions about very basic stuffs that shouldn't even be grounds to be considered. Literally what the fuck is this take? Kiwifarms' central purpose for existing is to organize doxxing and harassment efforts. It has harassed multiple people into committing s…

News outlets have been reporting on how the Terrorgram, O9A, 764, and murder loving European fascist groups have been organizing on Telegram (it's in the name!) for years. Discord at least attempts to do some moderation about this. Telegram's strategy to deal with violent extremist groups on its platform is to not ban them but just make it hard to discover. But this doesn't stop someone already in the groups from inv…

They subscribe to a belief that private speech should not be surveilled. I'm partial to their views. For all of human history, any two people could get together and privately talk. Talk about anything, including committing crimes. Now communication methods have changed but people still want to get together and talk about things, privately. Some of those things include crime, sure. The problem is it's not your freaking business what anyone is talking about privately. As soon as you open the door to surveillance "because crime", now you also have surveillance because you disagree with the government. And when it comes to internet surveillance, everything is preserved forever and also sold/leaked routinely, so you're really committing to leaking everyone's private life to anyone who is interested, forever. The internet is such an integral part of how most people communicate that "just don't say anything personal on the internet, ever" is not in any way reality.

I think this is not a line that can afford to be crossed. It is better for criminals and terrorists to be able to communicate privately than it is for no human anywhere ever to be able to communicate privately. It is not worth stripping the rights of billions of people to target a tiny minority of bad actors. And, given the trivial potential for authoritarian governments to misuse the power of absolute surveillance, I think the world we end up in would be much, much worse. Allowing nobody to privately communicate opposition to the government will lead to much worse outcomes than allowing nobody to privately communicate about crime, despite best intentions in short-term-thinking harm reduction. In addition to the criminal groups you mention it being wanted in Europe for, Telegram is also being prosecuted in Russia for harboring anti-Putin-regime activists! Such is the inherent nature of private communication.

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