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Mawlynnong, India, transformed by tourism, bans visitors on Sundays

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Re: Mawlynnong, India, transformed by tourism, bans visitors on Sundays

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Post by satvikpendem »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #54
irjustin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know statements like this mean well, but man it's so frustrating. It's the same thing as telling a person with depression to "just be happy". If it were so simple this would've been solved nation wide by Modi's 2014 address. Where does this education come from? Leaders, but leaders are product of their social environment. To create this change means to go against the norm meaning someone or a few have to break the…

You hit the nail on the head. It's not that simple. I was born and raised in India and I have seen hordes of supposedly "educated" Indian people with degrees littering and making a nuisance of themselves; and seen a lot of Indians who didn't have a formal education be much more conscientious about cleanliness and such because their family raised them that way. It's some combination of moral education, culture, scienc…

Degrees doesn't mean someone was brought up with cleanliness as a value, that's not what they mean by "educated." It's education of taking care of your general area and environment, not general schooling.

Re: Mawlynnong, India, transformed by tourism, bans visitors on Sundays

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Post by satvikpendem »

foxglacier wrote: post #53
mothballed wrote: post #40

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India doesn't give a shit about that. They have restricted civil areas that require visitor clearance even for citizens.

I'm talking about doublerabbit, not India. Doublerabbit apparently doesn't like human rights, which is his right, but it's possible he actually holds contradictory opinions and doesn't realize it.

Or what you and others might believe are human rights are not believed by them to be human rights. Human rights are not, in fact, universal, otherwise there would be no disagreement; and either way, no human right is endless and unlimited especially when it impinges on another's rights.

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Post by fy20 »

sysworld wrote: post #10
tekla wrote: post #6

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Its so mindboggling. Littering wssnt even an option in my head as a child. Always carry your trash until you can properly dispose. What the hell is wrong with people?

Same here. I find it hard to understand people who litter.

What I really don't understand is throwing litter from cars. You literally cannot find somewhere in your car to keep the litter until you get home?

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Post by angry_octet »

nsvd2 wrote: post #33
angry_octet wrote: post #15

It should be clear that this is about the stress that visiting Indians bring. And their trash. But it also highlights how you need to restrict access to move up the value chain. Hordes of bus tourists who eat elsewhere or bring take away contribute little economically, you can sell some trinkets. People with a hotel booking are also likely to eat locally. Venice faces a similar situation with cruise ships and Airbnbs…

Surely a tax would be a better incentive mechanism than a hard cap.

They already have a levy on cruise ships, but it doesn't really increase the amenity for the citizens. If you can bid for places in the cap you have a dual effect, limiting congestion and encouraging longer stays, and selecting for higher value ships.

You could tweak it in many ways, like additional levy that can be recouped by spending on food in local restaurants (vs shipboard all-inclusive meals).

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Post by angry_octet »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #43
angry_octet wrote: post #15

It should be clear that this is about the stress that visiting Indians bring. And their trash. But it also highlights how you need to restrict access to move up the value chain. Hordes of bus tourists who eat elsewhere or bring take away contribute little economically, you can sell some trinkets. People with a hotel booking are also likely to eat locally. Venice faces a similar situation with cruise ships and Airbnbs…

> But it also highlights how you need to restrict access to move up the value chain. Hordes of bus tourists who eat elsewhere or bring take away contribute little economically, you can sell some trinkets. People with a hotel booking are also likely to eat locally. I don't think this fits the story at all. They just want a day off. The rest of the week is unrestricted.

That is a sensitive messaging campaign, and no doubt true as well. But the effect is that rich people who want to visit on the weekend will book a local hotel stay rather than day trip, and as a bonus they will not have to deal with crowds.

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Post by [deleted] »

alephnerd wrote: post #51
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #49

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Seems like quite the stretch just to blame it on zoning. Gurugram was particularly bad but the other places around New Delhi I visited weren't much better.

Much of Delhi isn't zoned as a city either but as villages (in Delhi they are called Lal Doras ) [0]. Most of the hostels and hotels backpackers stay in when visiting Delhi are located in these lal doras . Additionally, the local government and the federal government have been at loggerheads for over decade because it's municipal government was ruled by the BJP but it's state government was ruled by the opposition (A…

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Re: Mawlynnong, India, transformed by tourism, bans visitors on Sundays

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Post by Eueudhsbsj32 »

irjustin wrote: post #47
skeledrew wrote: post #16

> But in Mawlynnong, children are taught to tidy up from a young age This needs to be a thing everywhere. Education works to resolve most - if not all - social issues.

I know statements like this mean well, but man it's so frustrating. It's the same thing as telling a person with depression to "just be happy". If it were so simple this would've been solved nation wide by Modi's 2014 address. Where does this education come from? Leaders, but leaders are product of their social environment. To create this change means to go against the norm meaning someone or a few have to break the…

Hopefully the process is sped up with the rapid increase in Indians traveling internationally, and they'll start to realize and feel embarrassment/shame at the state of cleanliness in their own country.

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Post by Eueudhsbsj32 »

mc32 wrote: post #12
doublerabbit wrote: post #4

> Do not spit" signs > Some tourists have complained about the ban, saying it should have been implemented on a weekday instead These should not be a thing. What is it that makes folk feel so entitled? "Lack of litter bins"; isn't an excuse. I've seen folk stand next to a litter bin, light up and then throw the cigarettes end to the ground. You're literally standing next to a litter bin! It should be common sense not…

What in hell? I haven’t seen or heard people spit on sidewalks other than some homeless people in ages. In parts of Asia where people chew betel nut, of course that’s a different story -they put the old west custom of spitting tobacco chew to shame.

Have have you been to many countries in Asia recently?

Spitting is still super common in many cities, especially in India. I've had a few taxi drivers who would open their door periodically to spit on the ground (and no they weren't chewing anything).

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Post by kaycey2022 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #49
alephnerd wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like Gurugram reminded me of some type of ecological disaster dystopia out of Blade Runner That's because of zoning. Much of Gurgaon isn't zoned as a municipality but as villages or agricultural land, which means there is no unified municipal government in vast swathes of the city. This is the same issue with Bangalore. Other large Indian cities (eg. Pune, Ahmedabad, Chandigarh, Chennai, Hyderabad, etc) are nowhere…

Seems like quite the stretch just to blame it on zoning. Gurugram was particularly bad but the other places around New Delhi I visited weren't much better.

Blaming it on “culture” makes me feel good about myself and my in-group.
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