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DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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Post by jayGlow »

tavavex wrote: post #207
jayGlow wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why exactly is the US responsible for feeding people in random countries around the world? if the US is responsible for those deaths then surely every other county who didn't step up to feed them is equally responsible right?

Why am I responsible for this person's death? He had fallen on the subway tracks all on his own, it was his fault. All I did was extend a hand to him, let him climb halfway up, and then kick him in the face back down. So why is everyone looking at me now? The outcome is the same it would've been if no one jumped in to help. Why aren't you calling the bystanders murderers too?

I've been trying to help this man off the tracks for 70 years, he's only fallen further onto the tracks should I stay until the train hits me too or should I let him go?

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Post by 93po »

Havoc wrote: post #180
wnevets wrote: post #75

I would like to personally thank Elon, "big balls" and the rest of DOGE for causing hundreds of thousands of deaths [1] by shutting down USAID! Also an honorable for bringing the screwworm to the US. Good job everyone, you guys did it! [1] https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...

oh it's much worse. Projections are around 14 million mark. i.e. something around the region of a 100 Hiroshimas https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2jjpm7zv8o

It's horrible that there are 14 million children now in graves because of Elon Musk. He's literally worse than Hitler. I also don't understand how he spends all his time. SpaceX and Tesla are successful but Elon doesn't contribute to that at all, he's clearly not actually doing anything in those organizations. So where does his time go? I guess he's secretly just been doing actual work and actually contributing at DOGE this entire time, finding countries he doesn't like and murdering as many people as he possibly can. I bet he jokes about it with Trump while paying prostitutes to pee on Obama's bed.

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Post by jayGlow »

wnevets wrote: post #215
jayGlow wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why exactly is the US responsible for feeding people in random countries around the world? if the US is responsible for those deaths then surely every other county who didn't step up to feed them is equally responsible right?

Because feeding starving children is the right thing to do.

I agree I'm not saying people can't or shouldn't donate to do that I'm saying a country with 40 trillion in debt shouldn't be spending even more money to feed people on another country when it's own citizens are struggling.

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Post by jayGlow »

chasing wrote: post #222
jayGlow wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why exactly is the US responsible for feeding people in random countries around the world? if the US is responsible for those deaths then surely every other county who didn't step up to feed them is equally responsible right?

Because we're rich and powerful and we believe the world should be a better place. It doesn't matter what other countries do. We should want to step up and help. Leaders lead.

When USAid started in 1961 there were around 100 million starving people in Africa, as of 2024 that number has tripled to over 300 million. Sure the percentage of the population that's starving has gone down some but the actual number has gone up significantly and these people are still fully reliant on others good will for their survival. Has that really made the world a better place?

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Post by wnevets »

jayGlow wrote: post #273
wnevets wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because feeding starving children is the right thing to do.

I agree I'm not saying people can't or shouldn't donate to do that I'm saying a country with 40 trillion in debt shouldn't be spending even more money to feed people on another country when it's own citizens are struggling.

Why is a goverments debt only brought up when it comes to feeding starving children but not when subsiding oil companies, football stadiums, data centers, or spacex? We always seem to have enough money to do those things.

Edit: Not to mention billions sent to ICE.

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Post by ivraatiems »

kansface wrote: post #63
ivraatiems wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The spend is on private health insurance going to for-profit middlemen. It's not mostly on the government. People love to crow about Medicare and Medicaid (safety net government-run insurance) waste but the vast majority of "waste" is the record profits put up by private companies.

Insurance companies don't make much money, actually. Hospitals, physicians, and pharma are at the top of the list (60% or so of total spending). Total insurance overhead is perhaps between 10 and 20%.

That's not true, and you were foolish to trust ChatGPT on this instead of researching it yourself. Also, if you are spending even 20% of a budget on things that are useless or net negative for the effort you are engaged in, you are wasting that 20%. "60% of the healthcare system's spending was on providing healthcare" is not a GOOD thing, that's an indictment!

In 2024, insurance was 31% of national health expenditure: https://www.cms.gov/data-research/statistics-trends-and-repo...

That's a third of the whole system just spent on middlemen whose whole job is to make access to care harder. The single largest proportion of our expenditure was on the most useless part of the system.

Private health insurance costs more than physicians, hospitals, prescription drugs, or Medicare or Medicaid.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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Post by ivraatiems »

kansface wrote: post #227
retornam wrote: post #206

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please cite your sources, we can't take your comment at face value without citations.

I asked ChatGPT of course, and the response roughly corresponded to my expectations so I went no further. Doctors make way more here than elsewhere (British doctors aren’t making 500-750k a year), pharma makes most of its money here, and hospitals charge an arm and a leg - it all checks out, no? Alternatively, if insurance were straight up responsible for doubling health care costs in any easily attributable way, we…

It doesn't check out, you were one Google away from correct information (which I cited above), and relying on ChatGPT to confirm your priors for you and then parroting what it (incorrectly) says is an insulting way to engage in this community. Please don't do it.

Also, the average doctor's salary is around $386k/year, and is heavily propped up by extremely rare specialties who make much more. The average primary care doctor makes around $240-280k/year. It's true that the US pays doctors much much more than the rest of the world, and is also facing a historic doctor shortage which drives up costs - but your numbers are still way, way off, probably because you eyeballed instead of doing research.

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Post by tomhow »

Executor wrote: post #160
lenerdenator wrote: post #43

Given that DOGE was itself illegal, my guess is that the records were illegally disposed of. This behavior will continue on behalf of people like Musk and Trump until a real consequence is introduced.

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Post by 0xy »

thunderfork wrote: post #162
0xy wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NIH funded gain-of-function research into coronaviruses in Wuhan via grants issued to EcoHealth Alliance. Which, even if you do not think lab leak theory is likely, is extremely reckless and incompetent. So, at best, they're funding illegal research. At worst, their research inadvertently led to millions of deaths and trillions in economic damage. Exactly how many grants are necessary to make up for that, and why wou…

>NIH funded gain-of-function research into coronaviruses in Wuhan Even this assertion is heavily, heavily disputed: https://web.archive.org/web/20210706065130/https://www.washi...

Disputed by the person who approved the funding and has a major conflict of interest? The research clearly qualifies as gain-of-function, as natural viruses' functions were modified.

>Richard Ebright, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Rutgers University and a critic of gain-of-function research, told the Washington Post that the EcoHealth/Wuhan lab research “was — unequivocally — gain-of-function research.” He said it “met the definition for gain-of-function research of concern under the 2014 Pause.”.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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Post by UncleMeat »

jayGlow wrote: post #188
wnevets wrote: post #75

I would like to personally thank Elon, "big balls" and the rest of DOGE for causing hundreds of thousands of deaths [1] by shutting down USAID! Also an honorable for bringing the screwworm to the US. Good job everyone, you guys did it! [1] https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...

why exactly is the US responsible for feeding people in random countries around the world? if the US is responsible for those deaths then surely every other county who didn't step up to feed them is equally responsible right?

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