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Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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These checks and balances failed long before Trump started abusing the system

Yes, sadly, several decades ago, one of the parties started running on the platform of "the government is broken" and to help the electability of said platform, they kept breaking the government.

indeed.

cause the problem then complain the problem exists. that’s been their intentional platform for years and years.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Project 2025 called for downsizing the weather service and have them focus on just data gathering and it should "fully commercialize its forecasting operations". https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeade...

And that literally isn't happening.

A lot of the recommendations for NOAA cuts in Project 2025 have been happening, so it's probably more of a "hasn't happened yet" kind of thing.

There's little reason to believe that isn't still the goal.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Partisan politics aside, frankly, anything data the government publishes like this should be public domain by virtue of it being published by the government . How can the government "for the people by the people" claim propriety/intellectual-property over anything?

Anything the US government publishes directly is in the public domain, including the contents of climate.gov, when it was online. One of the reasons the migration could happen without legal repercussions is precisely because the information was public domain. From the article: > This is possible because US government data is public domain by law. From the FAQ on the new climate.us [0]: > Can I re-use this data/produc…

> Any content dated prior to June 30, 2025 and credited to NOAA Climate.gov is in the public domain [and] can be freely re-used with proper attribution.

What a bizarre thing to say. It's in the public domain. Why would you need attribution?

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Hard disagree, my rep is an idiot

Data be damned then! Good point.

What data? I've never seen data showing people approve of their Congressperson. Especially if that person is a Democrat.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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> Your desire for a higher oversight authority beyond the chief executive suggests you may have concerns about the efficacy of democracy. No that's not what I said. The courts can hold someone in the executive branch accountable. They're the check on their power. Except the president, because of that one ruling. So if the president commits fraud as part of an official act he's immune? No other person in the executive…

The president just tried to operate an executive order and it got shut down by the courts. The specific ruling is about the president being immune from criminal charges while in office. And yeah, you can’t be taking George Washington to court (or jail) while he is leading the revolution. It’s essential for the nation to have a functioning leader, especially among the fog of war. The Bible story of David and Saul pres…

With the amount of gerrymandering and campaign finance going on, there's a question of whether this is a democracy in the first place. If it is, it's clear it can't be trusted to elect an executive who follows the laws.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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> The problem is that those very same private companies are trying really hard to ban the government from providing the same data for free to the general public, because it would be "unfair competition". In general, they aren't. The sole example I can think of that even skirts with this was specifically an attempt by AccuWeather in the 2000's, coordinating with then-Senator Rick Santorum's office. And that was univer…

Project 2025 called for downsizing the weather service and have them focus on just data gathering and it should "fully commercialize its forecasting operations". https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeade...

This is a conspiracy theory.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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All agencies are ultimately accountable to the public via democratically elected leaders as the Supreme Court recently upheld. No part of the government is independent body, it’s in one of the 3 branches.

Except the Federal Reserve for some reason.

Look at the recent ruling on this topic.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Project 2025 called for downsizing the weather service and have them focus on just data gathering and it should "fully commercialize its forecasting operations". https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeade...

This is a conspiracy theory.

How so?

They've already implemented over half of the policies suggested in it.

https://www.project2025.observer/en

As mentioned they've already implemented many of the recommendations related to NOAA in the document. If anything they've gone even further in many of the cuts as they've cut the budgets so much a lot of balloon launches haven't happened vastly reducing the ground truth needed to keep models and forecasts accurate.

Instead, they've moved such things to... drumroll...private corporations.

https://www.wired.com/story/private-companies-step-up-to-gat...

Tell me again how this is conspiracy theory?

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Honestly, if anything the library of congress should be operating a system similar to the way back machine. Isn't preserving historical information one of its objectives? And what libraries do in general? But I'm very in favor of maintaining "the record", as it were, for government websites. If we can have changelogs on bills then we should elsewhere. It informs the citizens of the actions of our government. What has…

The Library of Congress runs Webrecorder's Python Wayback for their web archive replay and has an extensive collection of over 35,000 web archives each comprising multiple pages: https://blogs.loc.gov/thesignal/2025/01/beta-release-of-libr...

That's awesome. Thanks for letting me know. It's a great start

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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With the AI rush, it all makes sense why suddenly all Silicon Valley became pro Trump and anti climate overnight.

I'm pretty sure all they care about is $$$. The political winds don't matter which way they are blowing.

They just feel less pressure to green wash their products now.
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