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Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by bdamm »

echoangle wrote: post #152
dragonwriter wrote: post #140

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“Banana republic” is specifically a term referring to countries that are puppets of the United States on behalf of commercial interests (the trope-naming example being Gautemala on behalf of United Fruit Company); in the absence of an imperial power pulling US strings on behalf of that powers’ commercial interests which dominated the US economy, it would be hard for the US to be reasonably described as going the dire…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic Banana republic isn’t specific to US control and it’s actually not that unreasonable to call Russia a banana republic

Because their economy is almost exclusively oil? Quite a few countries of the world would qualify if that's the case.

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Post by orbital-decay »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #64
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #59

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Zulip is amazing. Nothing against that but what are your thoughts on fluxer and the others (recently chatto seems interesting, matrix, stoat are interesting options as well). Also awesome initiative by the way, how did you end up making it and I'd love to know some backstory about it actually as well.

Not the original commenter, but Matrix is awful. I used it on and off, and self-hosted it too. It's slow, bloated (I'm pretty sure I tried other homeservers). The app UI/UX is not great either. The E2EE stuff got better by the end but adoption-wise I was able to get way more people on Signal.

Matrix the protocol is just fine, and all features you expect are there. Their problem is with actual apps that either don't support most of good features, are unpolished to the degree of being unusable, or both.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by iamnothere »

qurren wrote: post #9

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GoDaddy is a shit registrar, but it has nothing to do with the name. You shouldn’t be basing your choices (or your HN recommendations) on product names, domain names, or other similar “vibes-based” reasoning.

FWIW, I have also never liked the name, but the name is just marketing. This should rank very low in your decision matrix, hopefully.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by denkmoon »

dragonwriter wrote: post #140
walrus01 wrote: post #129

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> American business based in America and doing business that benefits American citizens, rather than some random banana republic. This makes a huge presumption of rock solid stability of political/economic system, that America is not going the direction of a banana republic, in terms of graft, corruption and patronage, which it certainly seems to be these days.

“Banana republic” is specifically a term referring to countries that are puppets of the United States on behalf of commercial interests (the trope-naming example being Gautemala on behalf of United Fruit Company); in the absence of an imperial power pulling US strings on behalf of that powers’ commercial interests which dominated the US economy, it would be hard for the US to be reasonably described as going the dire…

The US being a puppet state of US commercial interests seems to be an apt description.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by ufmace »

kajman wrote: post #81
ilaksh wrote: post #75

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But Telegram hasn't engaged in that, some of their users have. I think the issue might be that although Telegram has a lot of abuse takedown activity, they do not permit access or direct action by authorities. If I recall, they have reiterated many times that some level or types of messages always remain private. Maybe that's the issue is that a lot of illicit activity is going on in private channels and whether or n…

I always figured telegram got the screws turned on them all the time because their lack of E2E encryption meant it was viable to demand they proactively police the platform in the first place. Maybe Signal would just be outright blocked in these locales if it was anywhere near as popular, though.

I don't think anyone cares about E2E encryption as much as tech people think.

For all of the much-vaunted complains about their lack of it, I am not aware of any proof or credible claims that Telegram the company has ever revealed the contents of non-encrypted messages or group chats.

Meanwhile, I don't think any authorities actually care about to what extent E2E Encryption makes it harder for Signal the corporation to extract message data. There's plenty of other ways to skin that cat - on-device compromises, abuse of backup mechanisms, abuse of mechanisms to manage linked devices, etc. They'd go after them just the same if they thought there was anything they really wanted on there.

If there's any real difference, I think it's most likely because many more of the group chats that such authorities are aware of and find "interesting" are on Telegram because basically nobody really does E2E well in medium-large groups right now.

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Post by kennywinker »

inigyou wrote: post #155
kennywinker wrote: post #29

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Do you know the reason, or are you just assuming censorship?

How would it not be censorship?

If it was due to some other legal dispute, or an accident, or a personal vendetta, or… idk, i will wait and see

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Post by ray023 »

echoangle wrote: post #152
dragonwriter wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Banana republic” is specifically a term referring to countries that are puppets of the United States on behalf of commercial interests (the trope-naming example being Gautemala on behalf of United Fruit Company); in the absence of an imperial power pulling US strings on behalf of that powers’ commercial interests which dominated the US economy, it would be hard for the US to be reasonably described as going the dire…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic Banana republic isn’t specific to US control and it’s actually not that unreasonable to call Russia a banana republic

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Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

kennywinker wrote: post #176
inigyou wrote: post #155

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How would it not be censorship?

If it was due to some other legal dispute, or an accident, or a personal vendetta, or… idk, i will wait and see

so censorship, accident, or censorship. I guess it could be accidental censorship.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

fsuts wrote: post #167
inigyou wrote: post #151

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That's why they keep getting in trouble. They're not E2EE, but keep refusing court requests just because "we don't wanna"

They moved to Dubai? So if a court order is obtained in UAE then they will likely comply, but not from other countries?

Or move again or hide forever. They already fled Russia and France. In Dubai they might be able to get protection with money.

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Post by KomoD »

booi wrote: post #138
esseph wrote: post #120

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Not available for private use isn't exactly true...

which 2 letter TLDs are not controlled by states?

Well, almost all of them are ultimately controlled by the nations, but there are quite a few that private companies operate because they've paid the nation to gain control.

But then there's .io (and a few others: .ac, and previously .sh, .tm) where they were actually delegated to a British guy and are now controlled by the private company he started. And according to the British government, they have no agreement with the company, and they receive no revenue from the domain registrations.

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