Gemini does the same (though not with health data). The only way to opt out of training on your data is to disable all Gemini chat history.
Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
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Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
#62How does this not violate HIPAA?
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#63How does this not violate HIPAA?
Because HIPAA only applies to specific people and organizations who have a formal role in your health care. It is not a universal law applicable to everyone, and Samsung is not your healthcare provider, insurer, nor part of any related entity.
Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
#64This actually seems kinda OK. Consent to train is payment for hosting that data. Find another health app/service with more preferable terms if you don't like it. My only beef is if they do an immediate delete without providing a reasonable method for users to export that data first, which is how it reads.
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#65> The company plans to grab four categories: your sleep, your medications, your medical records, and your cycle tracking details So you buy a device but you can't effectively use half of its features because you'd also have to agree to send them your medical records? Ok then if I refuse, will they refund 50% of the device price since now it's not usable any more?
Buying a device doesn't mean vendor-hosted services are included, unless explicitly stated. This is the kind of thing why they can get away with taking unsolicited actions on people's devices whenever they want. CUT THAT CORD!
Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
#66In some way they are telling that they respect your privacy. Or they have your data (and then do something with it, now or later), or no one will. They could provide some Google-style takeout to get your data before deletion, but that may not have any meaning or practical use without their devices and software.
They don't respect your privacy, they value your private data. Two very different things.
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#67How does this not violate HIPAA?
How is HIPAA relevant here? Samsung isn't a covered entity. HIPAA is not just "I have some health data" freebie. Might as well ask why it doesn't violate Sarbanes-Oxley or Jim Crow.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had a ~2008 vintage Samsung phone with a fingerprint sensor that gave your blood oxygen level (SpO2). One day it told me something similar, I had to agree to send them data or I couldn’t use it. So I never used it again, but yeah they have been abusing their costumers a long time. This is they same company whose tvs take pictures of what you are watching and send them back to Samsung.
Every TV does that unfortunately. It's called automatic content recognition but every manufacturer has a different euphemism for it. It's definitely not just Samsung. As bad as this is. The problem is bigger than just them.
ah so thats where microsoft got the idea for recall from.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but that consent must be given freely. There can't be undue pressure. Unfortunately this part is not well defined but it looks like the AI training part is not required to deliver the service to the specific user so I do think that if challenged it will be ruled afoul of GDPR.
I think Facebook lost a similar lawsuit recently where you had to accept that they can use your data or pay to access the site. And it was found illegal in the EU. The problem is that it takes years and users don't wait for years. There should be a way to harm these companies more on the EU level.
I'm in Norway, and I never consented in that dialog box, so my Facebook account is in limbo. The dialog still appears when I go to Facebook, years later, so I don't think anything has changed?
Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
#70How does this not violate HIPAA?
Because HIPAA only applies to specific people and organizations who have a formal role in your health care. It is not a universal law applicable to everyone, and Samsung is not your healthcare provider, insurer, nor part of any related entity.
It probably should apply. The spirit of HIPAA is the protection of health information.