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Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

walrus01 wrote: post #129
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #127

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> American business based in America and doing business that benefits American citizens, rather than some random banana republic. This makes a huge presumption of rock solid stability of political/economic system, that America is not going the direction of a banana republic, in terms of graft, corruption and patronage, which it certainly seems to be these days.

Being an American citizen, I prefer to do business with American entities, regardless of what shitty opinion her detractors may express. I am loyal to her, more loyal than I would be to Tonga, or Montenegro, just to choose some random examples.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

kajman wrote: post #81
ilaksh wrote: post #75

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But Telegram hasn't engaged in that, some of their users have. I think the issue might be that although Telegram has a lot of abuse takedown activity, they do not permit access or direct action by authorities. If I recall, they have reiterated many times that some level or types of messages always remain private. Maybe that's the issue is that a lot of illicit activity is going on in private channels and whether or n…

I always figured telegram got the screws turned on them all the time because their lack of E2E encryption meant it was viable to demand they proactively police the platform in the first place. Maybe Signal would just be outright blocked in these locales if it was anywhere near as popular, though.

They generally don't have to proactively police it, but they have to answer court orders in every country that has courts, or they'll be in trouble in that country. And countries are free to cooperate with each other to enforce these.

Pavel Durov was arrested when he traveled to France because Telegram was noncompliant with French court orders. You can ignore them in Russia... you can't ignore them in France. And you can ignore Russian court orders in France but not in Russia. And the Russian or Indian court is free to ask the Montenegrin government to suspend your domain name and the Montenegrin government is free to agree or disagree.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

joe_mamba wrote: post #92
ilaksh wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Telegram hasn't engaged in that, some of their users have. I think the issue might be that although Telegram has a lot of abuse takedown activity, they do not permit access or direct action by authorities. If I recall, they have reiterated many times that some level or types of messages always remain private. Maybe that's the issue is that a lot of illicit activity is going on in private channels and whether or n…

>But Telegram hasn't engaged in that, some of their users have. Yeah, but government workers just want a legal slam dunk to call it a day and collect the glory, and it's always easier to go after the platform where the crimes are being discussed, rather than after the individual users actually committing the crimes. It's how government, prosecution and law enforcement jobs are incentivized to operate.

It's more likely they did go after the individual users, by sending a demand to Telegram to identify the users, and Telegram refused despite having the ability.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by walrus01 »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #131
walrus01 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> American business based in America and doing business that benefits American citizens, rather than some random banana republic. This makes a huge presumption of rock solid stability of political/economic system, that America is not going the direction of a banana republic, in terms of graft, corruption and patronage, which it certainly seems to be these days.

Being an American citizen, I prefer to do business with American entities, regardless of what shitty opinion her detractors may express. I am loyal to her, more loyal than I would be to Tonga, or Montenegro, just to choose some random examples.

I don't think you're wrong that tiny pacific island nations are not stable or reliable, at this point they're all either a client state of China, the USA or Australia.

But I think it's also unfair and mean spirited to say that a country like Nauru (barely a country, IMHO, population of 12500 people) is "prostituting" itself by allowing 3rd party registrars to sell domains for a profit, since they have basically no other resource with the bird guano originated phosphate mines now being stripped clean. Would I use a Nauru domain? No. Do I go out of my way to insult them on the internet? Also no.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

indolering wrote: post #73
anigbrowl wrote: post #65

Telegram is currently the target of legal/regulatory investigations by Russia (alleged extremism), France (likewise), and India (alleged facilitation of national exam leaking/cheating). I'm guessing the latter since it's the most recent and arguably has the most fiscal heft. Also very surprised to see Telegram was reliant on GoDaddy, notorious for its lack of transparency.

Montenegro (.me) seems to be aligned with the EU. But I would have expected there to see a legal ruling in France before Montenegro would do this sort of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if GoDaddy caved to request. They are known for giving up domains to anyone with a badge and a fax machine!

serverHold status means registry, not registrar, hold - the relevant protocol (not WHOIS) has the registry as the server, as you'd expect. But you are right about GoDaddy and they are a strange choice.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

codedude64 wrote: post #11

I don't understand I visited the whois site and it seems all it's fine but I don't know if this match with the following cases. - The site was suspended but now it's ok - The site was not suspended - There is other information about telegram suspended

serverHold status means suspended.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by inigyou »

yreg wrote: post #89
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #36

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What’s your beef? The name? Because I’ve been super happy with porkbun but damn, that name… and then the official-sounding ones like network solutions are quite shady. don’t judge a registrar by its name I guess.

Also namecheap sounds shit, but afaik they have good reputation.

Not so much any more but I don't remember why. At least they started raising prices. Porkbun is the new Namecheap.

If you are set on Namecheap anyway, Spaceship is a suggested replacement. It's run by Namecheap but with a new codebase.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by fsuts »

zuzululu wrote: post #116

i really hope this is it from telegram. its downright causing havoc in countries without the jurisdictional power like korea and japan which have seen insane rise in drug related crime especially in japan they have a new wave of crime from anonymous telegram operators running human cell crime ops

If telegram disappeared then others would immediately take its place.

Telegram also isnt device to device fully encrypted unless you use a more limited private chat and, as Telegram uses googles messaging service, so likely compromised to NSA anyway.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by dragonwriter »

walrus01 wrote: post #129
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #127

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> American business based in America and doing business that benefits American citizens, rather than some random banana republic. This makes a huge presumption of rock solid stability of political/economic system, that America is not going the direction of a banana republic, in terms of graft, corruption and patronage, which it certainly seems to be these days.

“Banana republic” is specifically a term referring to countries that are puppets of the United States on behalf of commercial interests (the trope-naming example being Gautemala on behalf of United Fruit Company); in the absence of an imperial power pulling US strings on behalf of that powers’ commercial interests which dominated the US economy, it would be hard for the US to be reasonably described as going the direction of a “banana republic”.

What it is more going the way of a major power resenting a weakened position in the world falling into authoritarian and/or kleptocratic nationalist dictatorship leaning on the propaganda of restoring national greatness, somewhere between Hitler’s Germany and Putin’s Russia, which is a very different situation than a banana republic.

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