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Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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The government already does that. https://api.weather.gov/ https://www.noaa.gov/nodd/datasets https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/cdo-web/ etc etc etc

I think the point is that there has been a push to move away from this data continuing to be available from these sources.

There has not.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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That sounds like the arrangement you said we have. The government provides data to private companies who then mass distribute it in various forms because those costs and needs vary.

The problem is that those very same private companies are trying really hard to ban the government from providing the same data for free to the general public, because it would be "unfair competition". They get it for free from the government. They offer it as a paid service to the general public. Then they try to ban the government from giving it away for free to any potential competition.

> The problem is that those very same private companies are trying really hard to ban the government from providing the same data for free to the general public, because it would be "unfair competition".

In general, they aren't.

The sole example I can think of that even skirts with this was specifically an attempt by AccuWeather in the 2000's, coordinating with then-Senator Rick Santorum's office. And that was universally decried by the entire weather enterprise.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Oh no, it's not because I don't understand the civic structure of my society. It's because your comment is poorly written. Want to give it another shot?

Should ask ChatGPT to refactor it (but then it would get flagged as slop).

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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YCombinator has enough smarts to figure this out.

How can we use a bucket of mostly useless data to enrich ourselves by building more VC-funded apps? I'm asking the important questions.

Why would you say it’s useless data?

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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I agree with parent, the full quote is: "The whole thing relies on donations to keep it afloat, which is really what tax dollars are for." I think this is a great site, love what they are doing, and support them (including a literal donation). But a government maintained website for this data is low on my list of things of what tax dollars are for. In fact, I think this is better done privately. To be clear, many of…

Doing it privately is a sure recipe for ending with sponsored, biased data.

Biased about what?

There really isn't any Earth observation you could make that can't be grossly compared with other types of observations. There is literally no value in taking "biased" observations; where's the market for temperature stations that are _wrong_? I promise, energy and commodities traders don't want that data!

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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This may be a controversial view, but I don't think we should trust the actor in charge of regulating and limiting emissions with its own supervision. The Federal Government has a plethora of agencies which regulate pollution and energy usage; how can we trust either its legislative or executive branch to ensure that their creations are effective or efficient? To that end, I hope the Trump administration's actions ca…

I agree with your feelings but 'activists and independent scientists' do not have the resources to maintain that sort of infrastructure over the long term and will also be continually fending off attacks on their credibility. Institutions exist because volunteering has limitations.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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How can we use a bucket of mostly useless data to enrich ourselves by building more VC-funded apps? I'm asking the important questions.

Why would you say it’s useless data?

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Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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From my understanding of USA as a foreigner, tax dollars are for corporate bailouts and military.

As an American, tax dollars are for re-paving the parking lot at our middle school, establishing a water district for our town, buying another school bus, and funding our municipal fire department and ambulance corp. Any money collected by the feds is whatever. Hopefully it goes toward NASA putting another robot on Mars.

This is kind of a strange take.

Local taxes are for petty but useful stuff because the sovereignty of your locality is heavily circumscribed by state and national authorities. That means the real budgetary decisions made about the future of the nation, anything interesting, anything made with some level of self-determination, is made at the national level. Unfortunately, in the USA, budgetary discretion is used for war and rhetorically defended by all politicians while the non-discretionary spending on e.g. social security, is constantly attacked.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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These checks and balances failed long before Trump started abusing the system

Yes, sadly, several decades ago, one of the parties started running on the platform of "the government is broken" and to help the electability of said platform, they kept breaking the government.

Look, I vote blue too, but you can't ignore that the Democrats have also pushed the slider further and further toward executive power every chance they get. Well, I guess I can't tell you what to do, so I suppose you can.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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What if government websites were distributed & archived as a default, from the beginning? Think IPFS as a first target for publication, "normal web" only as a mirror. Is it feasible? Should we push for this default? First obvious objection is that lots of government services need backend and dynamic content, but let's say this requirement only goes for static content.

What if pedophiles were sent to jail instead of elected. Technical tricks like IPFS can’t prevent even 1% of the damage caused by giving criminals this much power over society.

The media in the US is utterly feckless and broken.
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