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Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Great, and through your effort you can raise a total of 100, maybe even 1000 dollars. Meanwhile while you are willing to give $15 for good data, Koch is willing to spend $15 million for a guy with a degree in fine arts to tell us he's a scientist and actually CO2 is super healthy and awesome. We elect officials and tax not just for the climate data most people will care about, but also for random things like sewage d…

is there like a list of things that government is responsible for, or is it just vibes? if not, how is that not rife for abuse? > Trying to piecemeal fund all these studies and turning science into a game of advertising and begging for causes will put us right back into the dark ages where only the absurdly wealthy could engage in any sort of scientific research. it was already the case, even with tons of funding. (i…

> is there like a list of things that government is responsible for

Why yes, there is. Here's an example of that list for the federal government [1]. States and cities also have similar lists though they may not be as accessible to the general public (a problem to be sure).

> or is it just vibes? if not, how is that not rife for abuse?

Not really vibes, it's spelt out in statute. In some cases that responsibility can be pretty wide and in all cases the president can chose heads of office that don't care to or ignore the duties of those statutes. The remedy if you feel like that's happening too much is voting.

> how is that not rife for abuse?

Abuse can certainly happen. However, the US does have some inordinate amounts of oversight over federally ran programs precisely because a lot of people worry about abuses. Where the abuse tends to happen is when the US is funding private institutions rather than running the programs themselves.

I have family that currently works for the US gov writing software. As they tell it, it takes 3 weeks to bring in a new version of a library due to the mandatory review process in the statutes. Meanwhile, they can hire a contractor who can use any library they like (but also who can bill whatever they like and are often friends with senators).

> it was already the case, even with tons of funding. (in case you don't know, i have a phd in chemical biology)

It used to be much more open ended. It has, however gotten worse and it's about to get much worse. Exactly because of concerns for abuse and waste. The system from clinton to trump wasn't great but it was somewhat functional. We are about to enter a new era, however, where funding for grants can be axed while the research is in flight if the administration decides that they don't like what's being researched. That's the abuse and waste I'm actually worried about.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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I'm glad someone managed to save the data that we all payed for.

My question is, how will this site stay relevant? The collection/analysis/monitoring of the current situation is as important as historic data. Turning current data into historical data takes significant resources.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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You are skipping a few layers here. Like those who know stuff like «crumbling asbestos air ducts in schools may be a bad idea». Why do so many grown-ups fail civics 101 so blatantly?

I can't understand what you're trying to say.

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Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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> The whole thing relies on donations to keep it afloat, which is really what tax dollars are for. Hmm. I don’t believe that’s accurate.

Which part? I interpret it as: 1. The temporary situation (private copy with donations) is not sustainable. 2. The activity is within the proper role of the US federal government. 3. It gives diffuse public-benefits, which should be funded normally, rather than rely on concentrated private donations. Disseminating the collected data publicly is not only a moral imperative--we already paid for it!--it's also how one m…

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Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Operating an API isn’t free either and the needs and scale change dramatically for customer. So you would rather the public pay for Google to use weather data on a massive scale?

I don’t follow. I would rather the government manage the API, like what NOAA does/did.

So then we are subsidizing Google’s outsized usage of that API?

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Private companies don’t care about having accurate data? Does the government have private access to forming unbiased information?

They do, and they often do collect accurate data. Philip Morris, for example, knew about the danger of smoking for decades, and Exxon knew all about the greenhouse effect. They didn’t publish that data, of course, and publicly argued to the contrary.

And governments don’t face bad incentives that would cause them to hide information?

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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I can't understand what you're trying to say.

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Oh no, it's not because I don't understand the civic structure of my society. It's because your comment is poorly written. Want to give it another shot?

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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What's not accurate?

From my understanding of USA as a foreigner, tax dollars are for corporate bailouts and military.

As an American, tax dollars are for re-paving the parking lot at our middle school, establishing a water district for our town, buying another school bus, and funding our municipal fire department and ambulance corp.

Any money collected by the feds is whatever. Hopefully it goes toward NASA putting another robot on Mars.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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All agencies are ultimately accountable to the public via democratically elected leaders as the Supreme Court recently upheld. No part of the government is independent body, it’s in one of the 3 branches.

Ignoring the guy who's there now. How accountable is the president really, especially in their second term. And do consider that the supreme court has ruled that they're immune for anything that's an 'official act'. Accountability of the executive left the room in 2024

Your desire for a higher oversight authority beyond the chief executive suggests you may have concerns about the efficacy of democracy.

And I don’t think that’s wrong. But let’s clarify. Either we trust the process to elect leaders who actually hold power or we think voting is broken and we need a body of leadership which exists independently of the democratic process.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Private companies don’t care about having accurate data? Does the government have private access to forming unbiased information?

Private companies care way more about making money.

Making money requires accurate information about the world. For example I was just learning about how farmers hire scientists to grade chicken feed. They are incentived by their own profit to get good information about grain quality they wish to purchase.
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